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137. F. D. R. was our greatest President and possibly the greatest individual of the 20th Century . . .

Reply to catbyte (Reply #131)

Mon Jan 27, 2014, 12:42 PM

Jan 2014

But he cheated on his wife, and with several different mistresses. No one is perfect.

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US hints at Edward Snowden plea bargain to allow return from Russia. [View all] another_liberal Jan 2014 OP

ticker tape! grasswire Jan 2014 #1

It's The Guardian . . . another_liberal Jan 2014 #4

Let's not forget the New York Post and Britain's Daily Mail... DonViejo Jan 2014 #12

no no I didn't mean The Guardian grasswire Jan 2014 #18

I see. another_liberal Jan 2014 #20

I am sure your summary is what is going on. Let's walk them back all the way from prosecution on point Jan 2014 #55

Why would you think a plea deal is a walkback from prosecution? nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #57

Start of negotiating position admin gave an inch on point Jan 2014 #59

Not really...have you seen plea terms? A federal prosecutor is generally obligated msanthrope Jan 2014 #69

Ha ha ha hueymahl Jan 2014 #151

Which is the point I made on another thread, and which is why Eddie has msanthrope Jan 2014 #153

Since when has the Guardian been reliable? Vattel Jan 2014 #109

The Guardian's articles tend to be well referenced... MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #117

wait. grasswire Jan 2014 #2

That is a point, I'll grant you. another_liberal Jan 2014 #9

Naa...... sendero Jan 2014 #53

Pretty good assessment Amigo Titonwan Jan 2014 #102

No, it isn't. Snowden no longer controls the info. Gerhard28 Jan 2014 #130

I know that Titonwan Jan 2014 #149

I thought everything he took was already in the hands of other individuals. Incitatus Jan 2014 #10

It is in other's hands. Titonwan Jan 2014 #33

Hey may deserve it, but I'm very skeptical that he could safely return anytime in the near future, Incitatus Jan 2014 #35

I don't doubt a lot of intel types would see it as a plus if he were whacked, even now. nt Jerry442 Jan 2014 #67

Snowden left with nothing but digital files, correct? jmowreader Jan 2014 #38

And? Titonwan Jan 2014 #41

And full allocution and cooperation. If Eddie cops a plea deal, that means he sold out. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #56

It makes one think it might all be an elaborate ruse nilesobek Jan 2014 #64

Still waiting to hear the rest of the story. democratisphere Jan 2014 #3

Our President has had just about enough of the NSA . . . another_liberal Jan 2014 #5

Judging by his actions, it's clear that he hasn't. n/t Psephos Jan 2014 #11

I think more than anything he's pissed it grew so powerful under his watch. joshcryer Jan 2014 #37

What are you talking about? Shemp Howard Jan 2014 #52

"He is not some outside observer." another_liberal Jan 2014 #100

Yeah, I remember Titonwan Jan 2014 #104

I love everything about Elizabeth Warren. another_liberal Jan 2014 #106

Boy, are you naive. The Stranger Jan 2014 #133

hardly, he got caught with his pants down. and so has now proposed relatively weak reforms. Vattel Jan 2014 #110

If I were Snowden I would stay as far away from this alleged deal and US legal authority as I Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #6

He should stay far far away bl968 Jan 2014 #7

This. The Stranger Jan 2014 #134

+1 1000words Jan 2014 #8

What makes you so sure of that? another_liberal Jan 2014 #15

If there is one person who knows what the U.S. is capable of ... 1000words Jan 2014 #21

Absolutely true. another_liberal Jan 2014 #24

there's that grasswire Jan 2014 #17

I agree - he will be tortured. fbc Jan 2014 #39

What! But but... Titonwan Jan 2014 #42

Hopefully in a few years we'll have an Administration whose word can be trusted MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #13

It will happen, and soon. another_liberal Jan 2014 #14

LOL... I want some of that y'all are smoking/snorking... eom Purveyor Jan 2014 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author another_liberal Jan 2014 #26

Hey, Clinton voted against telecom immunity. joshcryer Jan 2014 #36

That was a cynical vote Titonwan Jan 2014 #43

She sure did. joshcryer Jan 2014 #44

Russ Feingold Titonwan Jan 2014 #47

Wish Russ would run again. joshcryer Jan 2014 #48

When did she give that speech? It wasn't before Bush invaded. karynnj Jan 2014 #75

Hopefully in a few years we still even have a planet. olddad56 Jan 2014 #65

But he must plead guilty first frazzled Jan 2014 #19

That is the message now . . . another_liberal Jan 2014 #22

What does 'plea bargain' mean to you? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #51

A federal plea deal means Eddie will be ratting everyone else out. I wouldn't call msanthrope Jan 2014 #58

I'm not talking about anyone 'winning'; just that the Guardian put 'plea bargain' in the headline muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #62

Edward hasn't ratted anyone out. Titonwan Jan 2014 #63

If he cops a federal plea, he will have to. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #68

Edward won't cop to a plea. Titonwan Jan 2014 #72

Yeah he will. and Russia hasn't extended the asylum..it's still on the original one year.. msanthrope Jan 2014 #80

You don't have to "rat" anyone out for a plea deal. jeff47 Jan 2014 #128

I have never seen a federal poly deal that does not have significant " terms of cooperation" msanthrope Jan 2014 #138

There aren't many cases like this one. jeff47 Jan 2014 #139

But for FBI conduct, Ellsburg would have gone to prison. Snowden doesn't have much leverage.. msanthrope Jan 2014 #144

The problem is well beyond FBI conduct jeff47 Jan 2014 #147

I wonder if dear GG is sleeping well these days. Whisp Jan 2014 #143

GG will never allow Eddie to take a deal, if he has anything to say about it...and he should be msanthrope Jan 2014 #145

GG should sell his flop sweat in tiny little expensive vials to his adoring fans. n/t Whisp Jan 2014 #146

Snowden would be nuts to believe them HatTrick Jan 2014 #23

When he's ready to deal . . . another_liberal Jan 2014 #25

And the plane will develop engine trouble* and land in the Pacific, off course somewhere. RC Jan 2014 #81

If they get ahold of Snowden, he's a DEAD MAN. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #27

You don't snitch on the State, and live to tell about it... blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #28

Like the man said . . . another_liberal Jan 2014 #29

Please inform Daniel Ellsberg that he is dead. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #129

Snowden's argument of weak whistle blower protection is not a defense for the actions he has Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #30

sez you grasswire Jan 2014 #31

Don't think so, I bet the defense of weak whistle blower protection would go over like a lead Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #32

He's already a legend! Titonwan Jan 2014 #34

a legend in his mind, a thief in truth Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #40

No thief- a liberator. Titonwan Jan 2014 #45

When you steal you are a thief. maybe you love a thief, I don't. One does not have the right Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #60

The Espionage Act of 1917 Titonwan Jan 2014 #61

Belated welcome to DU grasswire Jan 2014 #71

A good reason for the ALCU to tie up our courts. The Constitution was written before 1917, guess Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #86

No sense Titonwan Jan 2014 #95

The point of my post was to point out just because a law was enacted in 1917 does not Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #98

And what a facetious law it was. Titonwan Jan 2014 #99

Nieztsche applies here grasswire Jan 2014 #70

Right on! Titonwan Jan 2014 #73

This must apply to Snowden since it is evident he chooses to punish. Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #87

seeking truth is punishment? grasswire Jan 2014 #88

Go tell Snowden. Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #89

Your argument confuses me. A Simple Game Jan 2014 #112

I this case Snowden is clearly the thief, admitted he took the files. Would you want to Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #113

Well you have a point, someone is clearly not keeping up with the news. A Simple Game Jan 2014 #115

You think I am not keeping up, when has the collecting of phone call data gone to the SC Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #116

You were surprised! It said google right in the link. You went further and saw that A Simple Game Jan 2014 #124

Which opinion will be official, the rulings in courts or statements from the WH? Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #125

I'm not going to waste any more time with you nor am I going to post A Simple Game Jan 2014 #127

I am quiet informed, losing, no, I continue to be informed, follow the case through the courts. Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #136

Since you went there already... LiberalLovinLug Jan 2014 #140

In this case, Snowden stole files, he is charged with theft and espionage. He has admitted to Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #142

What top? MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #118

if he came back, I think many on DU would be first in line to crucify and torch him Alamuti Lotus Jan 2014 #46

I'd only do that if he got a slap on the wrist. joshcryer Jan 2014 #49

He wouldn't take it even if it were offered davidpdx Jan 2014 #50

No plea pardon negotiations. Offer him a full complete pardon Obama and rein in the NSA. on point Jan 2014 #54

You all need to remember the dead man switch Snowden set up. bemildred Jan 2014 #66

Just like Julian Assange Titonwan Jan 2014 #74

Snowden has far more leverage than the others. bemildred Jan 2014 #76

I don't know if you read Digby Titonwan Jan 2014 #77

I do think the Dems better take this issue away from the wingnuts while they still can. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #78

Not only does it make political sense... Titonwan Jan 2014 #79

LOL!!! Republican Party Demands Investigation Into NSA Spying bemildred Jan 2014 #82

All Americans should unite against spying. woo me with science Jan 2014 #84

Seems unlikely to me. bemildred Jan 2014 #85

And the Thugs-R-Us will... Titonwan Jan 2014 #93

I'm feelin' ya, man Titonwan Jan 2014 #90

That was a great read! Thanks! Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #91

Back atcha, LA Titonwan Jan 2014 #92

I had lots of buddies that served in Nam, grunts. bemildred Jan 2014 #94

You're damned skippy it does Titonwan Jan 2014 #96

AWESOME!!!!!! I love your reality-based rant! Vattel Jan 2014 #111

Yeah, thanks for the correction. Drunk fingers. Titonwan Jan 2014 #114

Republican National Committee Denounces NSA Spying, Calls For Special Congressional Investigation bemildred Jan 2014 #83

They've abandoned all pretext of journalistic objectivity treestar Jan 2014 #97

He is though. another_liberal Jan 2014 #101

Me too Titonwan Jan 2014 #103

I wouldn't trust 'em, Ed! FiveGoodMen Jan 2014 #105

Ha, if I were Snowden I wouldn't come near anywhere they could grab me. malthaussen Jan 2014 #107

Here's a good read on 'leakers' Titonwan Jan 2014 #108

Thanks for the link. another_liberal Jan 2014 #121

Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning and Thomas Drake Titonwan Jan 2014 #122

great post. keep encouraging him to come back arely staircase Jan 2014 #119

You doubt he'll get one? another_liberal Jan 2014 #120

hell yeah he will get one arely staircase Jan 2014 #155

Snowden is not the enemy. another_liberal Jan 2014 #156

plea bargain against a kangaroo court that has Madmiddle Jan 2014 #123

I don't think he is coming back. He doesn't trust the U.S. Gvt. to keep their word. nt ladjf Jan 2014 #126

If I had a warm hotel room in Moscow . . . another_liberal Jan 2014 #135

He may have done a good thing exposing NSA abuses, but I personally think he is a Ron Paul loving, catbyte Jan 2014 #131

F. D. R. was our greatest President and possibly the greatest individual of the 20th Century . . . another_liberal Jan 2014 #137

There's a difference between cheating on your wife & wishing ill on millions of catbyte Jan 2014 #141

I don't believe that was Snowden's motive at all . . . another_liberal Jan 2014 #150

Absolutely DESPICABLE Tippy Jan 2014 #152

But the Neonazicons have so fucked up the law, would it be enforced? The Stranger Jan 2014 #132

He won't be handed a get-out-of-jail-free card unless he turns out to be a US double-agent struggle4progress Jan 2014 #148

I doubt if he is any kind of an "Agent." another_liberal Jan 2014 #154