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37. You keep making these very curious arguments...

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:46 PM

Feb 2014

...why should Snowden reveal the ways and means by which the security folks of another country conduct their business? That my friend is the question. If you are fine with this individual crippling the activities of the American government, why would you think the British public would want that for their country?

Again, the question is, why is this information relevant to the privacy or rights of Americans? Remember, this was sold as protecting the American public from their government so I ask you, how is this relevant to that? Or is Snowden now speaking for the entire Earth?

If Snowden is speaking for the entire world, I will like to see some intelligence revelations from your pal Snowden on Russian, Chinese and Brazilian spying activities after all, if it is okay to reveal the information from those he is attacking, he should not be protecting some other nations. Remember, Snowden in your collective minds, is a wizard and genius!

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Snowden Docs: British Spies Used Sex and 'Dirty Tricks' [View all] Hissyspit Feb 2014 OP

The honey trap has long been used in spying hardly... surprising. iandhr Feb 2014 #1

Bond, James Bond Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2014 #92

Since the olympics are starting today iandhr Feb 2014 #97

Somebody get that boy a set of the James Bond movies so he learns what he is dealing with... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #104

Receipt of stolen property is a federal crime under 18 U.S.C. § 2315 Rumold Feb 2014 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author marmar Feb 2014 #3

You mean like the Pentagon Papers? zeemike Feb 2014 #7

You should tell the NSA. :-| n/t DeSwiss Feb 2014 #13

The government never steals jsr Feb 2014 #26

The Government Steals Money From Us All In Taxes cantbeserious Feb 2014 #44

Sure you didn't drift over from Free Republic? brooklynite Feb 2014 #45

And Are All Those Elected Officials Honest - Think Chris Christie cantbeserious Feb 2014 #58

Maybe not - but if you voted for them, don't complain that their policies represent "stealing" brooklynite Feb 2014 #60

How Would Any Citizen Ever Know Given The Sad Affairs In DC Today cantbeserious Feb 2014 #83

Ahhh . . . taxes pay for roads, bridges, ports, the military, garbage collection . . . brush Feb 2014 #106

The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Feb 2014 #115

The garbage still has to be collected, and the roads need to be plowed in the winter. nt brush Feb 2014 #116

A Very Libertarian Point Of View - Essential Government Services Only - No More - No Less cantbeserious Feb 2014 #117

Libertarian my ass brush Feb 2014 #118

Libertarians Always Argue For Limited Government - Essential Services Is Limited Government cantbeserious Feb 2014 #119

I said nothing about limited government brush Feb 2014 #120

what an amazingly circular argument booley Feb 2014 #122

Taxes Are Resources Extracted From The Populace To Benefit The Oligarchs - That Is Theft cantbeserious Feb 2014 #124

You're still at it with this? brush Feb 2014 #125

The Roads Are Paid For By Minions - To Travel To Work - To Benefit The Oligarchs cantbeserious Feb 2014 #126

So you don't use roads . . . brush Feb 2014 #127

For Those That Work - Roads Are Used - To Pay The Taxes - That Benefit The Oligarchs cantbeserious Feb 2014 #128

Sure you didn't drift over from East Germany ca. 1984? Psephos Feb 2014 #62

Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Feb 2014 #84

My pleasure. Psephos Feb 2014 #88

Libertarian nonsense treestar Feb 2014 #89

We Do Not Live In A Nation Of Laws Any Longer - For Proof - Reference The 1% cantbeserious Feb 2014 #95

Nonsense treestar Feb 2014 #105

Citizens United - Nonsense Not - A Gift To The 1% cantbeserious Feb 2014 #114

Frank would chide you for abusing his avatar [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2014 #47

Better report it right-away..... PeoViejo Feb 2014 #52

This just in...British spies actually do spy stuff Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #4

I agree that "Honey Traps" are not new but... Johnboy79Scotland Feb 2014 #10

Welcome to the site... Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #15

I ask you, how are they supposed to do their job in your name... Demenace Feb 2014 #36

The article did speak of these techniques being used on journalists, Maedhros Feb 2014 #48

Don't worry LiberalLovinLug Feb 2014 #72

Do you really not know that this is and has been going on forever? brush Feb 2014 #107

There is no justifiable reason for Snowden/Greenwald to release this kind of information pnwmom Feb 2014 #11

Here is the meat: Hissyspit Feb 2014 #25

But NBC, and you, reported that 2 days ago: muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #32

You keep making these very curious arguments... Demenace Feb 2014 #37

The Five Eyes program has been used by its participants - Maedhros Feb 2014 #49

So making a message board crash is an infringement of free speech? Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #64

Let me see if I can summarize your argument here. booley Feb 2014 #123

ok... Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #129

These 3 replies (above) are interesting Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #85

"Scurry away." Hissyspit Feb 2014 #87

LOL Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #111

You're the one who said they're interesting. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #112

You're a very sensitive poster. Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #113

No, you did not respond to me post, you threw a snarky line out... Demenace Feb 2014 #130

...against journalists is where they cross the line. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #46

good point.... Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #65

this is why he went to russia JI7 Feb 2014 #5

Leaking this info makes me feel more free already. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #6

Like that's something new frazzled Feb 2014 #8

Snowden/Greenwald think it's worth revealing. Why? nt pnwmom Feb 2014 #14

Why? They haven't been in the headlines for a couple of days. George II Feb 2014 #18

Maybe Glenn's latest book is dropping in sales Progressive dog Feb 2014 #33

So our NSA gets hit for "spying" but Brit spies not so much? whathehell Feb 2014 #43

Why is what Brit spies do any of Snowden's business? nt brush Feb 2014 #108

I'm not speaking of Snowden, in particular whathehell Feb 2014 #134

Hence Assange's "rape" problems reddread Feb 2014 #9

No, really???? Beacool Feb 2014 #12

Both George II Feb 2014 #19

Maybe so........ Beacool Feb 2014 #20

Nonsense. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #22

And the GCHQ spokesperson made a statement as well: okaawhatever Feb 2014 #28

It is naive to think that governments do not infringe on civil liberties on a regular basis. Beacool Feb 2014 #29

But that is not the story today... Demenace Feb 2014 #39

Yes, and...? Hissyspit Feb 2014 #69

Again, the irrelevant cut and paste from you like it is supposed to make a point... Demenace Feb 2014 #38

Hunh? Hissyspit Feb 2014 #55

Again! xocet Feb 2014 #61

This is the background of Snowden and his position on this very issue... Demenace Feb 2014 #73

Again, the irrelevant cut and paste from you like it is supposed to make a point... xocet Feb 2014 #76

Did you read the background on your pal or anything that seeks to educate you is... Demenace Feb 2014 #77

So, what Jefferson was saying was... xocet Feb 2014 #79

What are you talking about? Demenace Feb 2014 #90

All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine. n/t xocet Feb 2014 #121

Wonder if Snowden's 180 degree change of heart had anything to to with a black president? nt brush Feb 2014 #110

Bingo! You win the prize, my men! Demenace Feb 2014 #131

It is hard to take your posts seriously, Maedhros Feb 2014 #51

Welcome to the real world.... Historic NY Feb 2014 #16

But I thought Snowden's objective was to expose.... George II Feb 2014 #17

It's a small world after all reddread Feb 2014 #24

No, it is not a small world after all... Demenace Feb 2014 #40

oh yes it is reddread Feb 2014 #57

I posted this upthread, but it bears repeating: Maedhros Feb 2014 #53

They just keep glossing over that point... so I'll kick it nt riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #81

US and British intelligence services work together. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #56

This story doesn't exactly reveal anything unexpected or unknown. nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #21

Wait until the Russians come across some documents that expose Russian spying... George II Feb 2014 #23

Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" Award" rocktivity Feb 2014 #27

OH NOES!!!! Spies NEVER do that... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #30

What is it???? LiberalLovinLug Feb 2014 #68

Let me pick one for you... Demenace Feb 2014 #78

Oh yes anyone who makes fun of him must be "authoritarian" right.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #91

Snowden's really got his feet taped to the pedals on this whole spying thing BeyondGeography Feb 2014 #31

Espionage melm00se Feb 2014 #34

Please, do not say these reasonable things around here... Demenace Feb 2014 #41

If one believes in the need for a free press in democratic societies, Maedhros Feb 2014 #54

Which free press? Demenace Feb 2014 #67

Maybe Snowden did go too far. Maedhros Feb 2014 #70

Good enough for me ... Demenace Feb 2014 #80

I'm just not worried about Snowden - he's one guy, and he is no longer in a position to handle Maedhros Feb 2014 #82

Dude, we are adults, we should be able to do both for the sake of our country... Demenace Feb 2014 #94

I think our ideas of "national interest" are divergent. Maedhros Feb 2014 #109

And who are you to make that determination for the American people? Demenace Feb 2014 #132

Who am I to make that determination? Maedhros Feb 2014 #136

Sorry, you just woke to what a government does... Demenace Feb 2014 #141

Were I of the authoritarian mindset I would certainly agree with every word you have posted. Maedhros Feb 2014 #143

What has his exposures on foreign activities against foreign nations or governments... Demenace Feb 2014 #148

Do you need help moving those goalposts? LiberalLovinLug Feb 2014 #150

Wait, I thought we were adults, dude. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #100

There you go with the snarky lines again... Demenace Feb 2014 #133

I wasn't being snarky. You were. Blatantly and obviously. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #138

Um, yeah, now Snowie and GG have to throw in titillating tidbits flamingdem Feb 2014 #35

Given what spies really do, this report is like putting perfume on an old sow. Coyotl Feb 2014 #42

Dirty laundry all around. JEB Feb 2014 #50

Thanks for the grab, Hissyspit! Titonwan Feb 2014 #59

In other news vdogg Feb 2014 #63

Scott Ritter... Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #66

Scott Ritter is a pedo. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #146

Spies using honey traps and dirty tricks? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #71

A must read on Snowden from Salon.com Demenace Feb 2014 #74

Thanks Titonwan Feb 2014 #86

Did you visit Salon.com or anything that does not fit your worldview must be baised? Demenace Feb 2014 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Feb 2014 #101

The original article is from the Guardian. Maedhros Feb 2014 #137

Dude, you chose to read your version, mine is at Salon.com Demenace Feb 2014 #140

You didn't give a link to Salon muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #144

They are both excerpted from the same source Maedhros Feb 2014 #145

Do you just take a line and run with it? Demenace Feb 2014 #147

Compare the two articles - they are nearly identical. Maedhros Feb 2014 #149

Very original. Who'd a thought of using sex for spying ... JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2014 #75

So the 007 movies are actually documentaries ... makes sense. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #93

Can somebody tell Snowden that spies do shit that would be considered unethical in ordinary life? alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Feb 2014 #99

He really must be naive sitting in Russia and spouting this stuff.. Historic NY Feb 2014 #102

Only one smiley could work for this... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #103

So far, I have not been suprised or shocked on anything Snowden/Greenwald has released itsrobert Feb 2014 #135

That's not the point. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #139

The poster told you something and your response is. 'that is not the point'! Demenace Feb 2014 #142

More appropriate title of half of all Snowden stories... gcomeau Feb 2014 #151