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In reply to the discussion: Snowden Docs: British Spies Used Sex and 'Dirty Tricks' [View all]Demenace
(213 posts)78. Let me pick one for you...
Another topic made him even angrier. The Snowden of 2009 inveighed against government officials who leaked classified information to newspapers the worst crime conceivable, in Snowdens apoplectic view. In January of that year the New York Times published a report on a secret Israeli plan to attack Iran. It said that President Bush had deflected a request from Israel for specialised bunker-busting bombs to carry out the risky mission. Instead Bush had told the Israelis he had authorised new covert action to sabotage Irans suspected nuclear-weapons programme.
The Times said its story was based on 15 months worth of interviews with current and former US officials, European and Israeli officials, other experts and international nuclear inspectors.
TheTrueHOOHAs response, published by Ars Technica, is worth quoting in full:
<TheTrueHOOHA> HOLYSHIT http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/ washington/11iran.html?_r=1&hp
<TheTrueHOOHA> WTF NYTIMES
<TheTrueHOOHA> Are they TRYING to start a war?
<TheTrueHOOHA> Jesus christ
<TheTrueHOOHA> theyre like wikileaks
<User19> theyre just reporting, dude.
<TheTrueHOOHA> Theyre reporting classified shit
<User19> Shrugs
<TheTrueHOOHA> about an unpopular country surrounded by enemies already engaged in a war
<TheTrueHOOHA> and about our interactions with said country regarding planning sovereignty violations of another country
<TheTrueHOOHA> you dont put that shit in the NEWSPAPER
<User19> Meh
<TheTrueHOOHA> moreover, who the fuck are the anonymous sources telling them this?
<TheTrueHOOHA> those people should be shot in the balls.
<TheTrueHOOHA> But the tense exchanges also prompted the White House to step up intelligence-sharing with Israel and brief Israeli officials on new American efforts to subtly sabotage Irans nuclear infrastructure, a major covert program that Mr. Bush is about to hand off to President-elect Barack Obama.
<TheTrueHOOHA> HELLO? HOW COVERT IS IT NOW? THANK YOU
<User19> Meh
<TheTrueHOOHA> I wonder how many hundreds of millions of dollars they just completely blew.
<User19> Youre over-reacting. Its fine.
<TheTrueHOOHA> Its not an overreaction. They have a HISTORY of this shit
<User19> with flowers and cake.
<TheTrueHOOHA> these are the same people who blew the whole we could listen to osamas cell phone thing the same people who screwed us on wiretapping over and over and over again. Thank God theyre going out of business.
<User19> the NYT?
<TheTrueHOOHA> Hopefully theyll finally go bankrupt this year. yeah.
A few minutes later the chat continues:
<User19> Its nice they report on stuff.
<TheTrueHOOHA> I enjoy it when its ethical reporting.
<TheTrueHOOHA> political corruption, sure
<TheTrueHOOHA> scandal, yes
<User19> is it unethical to report on the governments intrigue?
<TheTrueHOOHA> VIOLATING NATIONAL SECURITY? no
<User19> meh.
<User19> national security.
<TheTrueHOOHA> Um,YEEEEEEEEEEEES.
<TheTrueHOOHA> that shit is classified for a reason
<TheTrueHOOHA> its not because oh we hope our citizens dont find out
<TheTrueHOOHA> its because this shit wont work if iran knows what were doing.
<User19> Shrugs
<TheTrueHOOHA> None would speak on the record because of the great secrecy surrounding the intelligence developed on Iran.
<TheTrueHOOHA> direct. quote.
<TheTrueHOOHA> THEN WHY ARE YOU TALKING TO REPORTERS?!
<TheTrueHOOHA> Those covert operations, and the question of whether Israel will settle for something less than a conventional attack on Iran, pose immediate and wrenching decisions for Mr. Obama.
<TheTrueHOOHA> THEYRE NOT COVERT ANYMORE
<TheTrueHOOHA> Oh youve got to be fucking kidding me. Now the NYTimes is going to determine our foreign policy?
<TheTrueHOOHA> And Obama?
<TheTrueHOOHA> Obama just appointed a fucking POLITICIAN to run the CIA!
<User11> yes unlike every other director of CIA ever
<User11> oh wait, no
<TheTrueHOOHA> I am so angry right now. This is completely unbelievable.
The fucking politician was Leon Panetta, appointed by Obama in 2009 despite his evident lack of intelligence background. The appointment was supposed to draw a line under the intelligence scandals of the Bush years the renditions, the secret CIA prisons and the illegal wiretapping.
Snowden evidently knew of WikiLeaks, a niche transparency website whose story would later intersect with his own. But he didnt like it. At this point, Snowdens antipathy towards the New York Times was based on his opinion that they are worse than Wikileaks. Later, however, he would go on to accuse the paper of not publishing quickly enough and of sitting on unambiguous evidence of White House illegality. These are somewhat contradictory views.
Certainly Snowdens anti-leaking invective seems stunningly at odds with his own later behaviour. But there is a difference between what the Times arguably did reveal details of sensitive covert operations and what Snowden would do in 2013. Snowden nowadays explains: Most of the secrets the CIA has are about people, not machines and systems, so I didnt feel comfortable with disclosures that I thought could endanger anyone.
The Times said its story was based on 15 months worth of interviews with current and former US officials, European and Israeli officials, other experts and international nuclear inspectors.
TheTrueHOOHAs response, published by Ars Technica, is worth quoting in full:
<TheTrueHOOHA> HOLYSHIT http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/ washington/11iran.html?_r=1&hp
<TheTrueHOOHA> WTF NYTIMES
<TheTrueHOOHA> Are they TRYING to start a war?
<TheTrueHOOHA> Jesus christ
<TheTrueHOOHA> theyre like wikileaks
<User19> theyre just reporting, dude.
<TheTrueHOOHA> Theyre reporting classified shit
<User19> Shrugs
<TheTrueHOOHA> about an unpopular country surrounded by enemies already engaged in a war
<TheTrueHOOHA> and about our interactions with said country regarding planning sovereignty violations of another country
<TheTrueHOOHA> you dont put that shit in the NEWSPAPER
<User19> Meh
<TheTrueHOOHA> moreover, who the fuck are the anonymous sources telling them this?
<TheTrueHOOHA> those people should be shot in the balls.
<TheTrueHOOHA> But the tense exchanges also prompted the White House to step up intelligence-sharing with Israel and brief Israeli officials on new American efforts to subtly sabotage Irans nuclear infrastructure, a major covert program that Mr. Bush is about to hand off to President-elect Barack Obama.
<TheTrueHOOHA> HELLO? HOW COVERT IS IT NOW? THANK YOU
<User19> Meh
<TheTrueHOOHA> I wonder how many hundreds of millions of dollars they just completely blew.
<User19> Youre over-reacting. Its fine.
<TheTrueHOOHA> Its not an overreaction. They have a HISTORY of this shit
<User19> with flowers and cake.
<TheTrueHOOHA> these are the same people who blew the whole we could listen to osamas cell phone thing the same people who screwed us on wiretapping over and over and over again. Thank God theyre going out of business.
<User19> the NYT?
<TheTrueHOOHA> Hopefully theyll finally go bankrupt this year. yeah.
A few minutes later the chat continues:
<User19> Its nice they report on stuff.
<TheTrueHOOHA> I enjoy it when its ethical reporting.
<TheTrueHOOHA> political corruption, sure
<TheTrueHOOHA> scandal, yes
<User19> is it unethical to report on the governments intrigue?
<TheTrueHOOHA> VIOLATING NATIONAL SECURITY? no
<User19> meh.
<User19> national security.
<TheTrueHOOHA> Um,YEEEEEEEEEEEES.
<TheTrueHOOHA> that shit is classified for a reason
<TheTrueHOOHA> its not because oh we hope our citizens dont find out
<TheTrueHOOHA> its because this shit wont work if iran knows what were doing.
<User19> Shrugs
<TheTrueHOOHA> None would speak on the record because of the great secrecy surrounding the intelligence developed on Iran.
<TheTrueHOOHA> direct. quote.
<TheTrueHOOHA> THEN WHY ARE YOU TALKING TO REPORTERS?!
<TheTrueHOOHA> Those covert operations, and the question of whether Israel will settle for something less than a conventional attack on Iran, pose immediate and wrenching decisions for Mr. Obama.
<TheTrueHOOHA> THEYRE NOT COVERT ANYMORE
<TheTrueHOOHA> Oh youve got to be fucking kidding me. Now the NYTimes is going to determine our foreign policy?
<TheTrueHOOHA> And Obama?
<TheTrueHOOHA> Obama just appointed a fucking POLITICIAN to run the CIA!
<User11> yes unlike every other director of CIA ever
<User11> oh wait, no
<TheTrueHOOHA> I am so angry right now. This is completely unbelievable.
The fucking politician was Leon Panetta, appointed by Obama in 2009 despite his evident lack of intelligence background. The appointment was supposed to draw a line under the intelligence scandals of the Bush years the renditions, the secret CIA prisons and the illegal wiretapping.
Snowden evidently knew of WikiLeaks, a niche transparency website whose story would later intersect with his own. But he didnt like it. At this point, Snowdens antipathy towards the New York Times was based on his opinion that they are worse than Wikileaks. Later, however, he would go on to accuse the paper of not publishing quickly enough and of sitting on unambiguous evidence of White House illegality. These are somewhat contradictory views.
Certainly Snowdens anti-leaking invective seems stunningly at odds with his own later behaviour. But there is a difference between what the Times arguably did reveal details of sensitive covert operations and what Snowden would do in 2013. Snowden nowadays explains: Most of the secrets the CIA has are about people, not machines and systems, so I didnt feel comfortable with disclosures that I thought could endanger anyone.
That is a window into the world of the individual whose back you have got!
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Somebody get that boy a set of the James Bond movies so he learns what he is dealing with...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#104
Maybe not - but if you voted for them, don't complain that their policies represent "stealing"
brooklynite
Feb 2014
#60
Ahhh . . . taxes pay for roads, bridges, ports, the military, garbage collection . . .
brush
Feb 2014
#106
The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us
cantbeserious
Feb 2014
#115
The garbage still has to be collected, and the roads need to be plowed in the winter. nt
brush
Feb 2014
#116
A Very Libertarian Point Of View - Essential Government Services Only - No More - No Less
cantbeserious
Feb 2014
#117
Libertarians Always Argue For Limited Government - Essential Services Is Limited Government
cantbeserious
Feb 2014
#119
Taxes Are Resources Extracted From The Populace To Benefit The Oligarchs - That Is Theft
cantbeserious
Feb 2014
#124
The Roads Are Paid For By Minions - To Travel To Work - To Benefit The Oligarchs
cantbeserious
Feb 2014
#126
For Those That Work - Roads Are Used - To Pay The Taxes - That Benefit The Oligarchs
cantbeserious
Feb 2014
#128
We Do Not Live In A Nation Of Laws Any Longer - For Proof - Reference The 1%
cantbeserious
Feb 2014
#95
There is no justifiable reason for Snowden/Greenwald to release this kind of information
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#11
It is naive to think that governments do not infringe on civil liberties on a regular basis.
Beacool
Feb 2014
#29
Again, the irrelevant cut and paste from you like it is supposed to make a point...
Demenace
Feb 2014
#38
Again, the irrelevant cut and paste from you like it is supposed to make a point...
xocet
Feb 2014
#76
Did you read the background on your pal or anything that seeks to educate you is...
Demenace
Feb 2014
#77
Wonder if Snowden's 180 degree change of heart had anything to to with a black president? nt
brush
Feb 2014
#110
Wait until the Russians come across some documents that expose Russian spying...
George II
Feb 2014
#23
Snowden's really got his feet taped to the pedals on this whole spying thing
BeyondGeography
Feb 2014
#31
I'm just not worried about Snowden - he's one guy, and he is no longer in a position to handle
Maedhros
Feb 2014
#82
Dude, we are adults, we should be able to do both for the sake of our country...
Demenace
Feb 2014
#94
Were I of the authoritarian mindset I would certainly agree with every word you have posted.
Maedhros
Feb 2014
#143
What has his exposures on foreign activities against foreign nations or governments...
Demenace
Feb 2014
#148
Did you visit Salon.com or anything that does not fit your worldview must be baised?
Demenace
Feb 2014
#96
Can somebody tell Snowden that spies do shit that would be considered unethical in ordinary life?
alcibiades_mystery
Feb 2014
#98
So far, I have not been suprised or shocked on anything Snowden/Greenwald has released
itsrobert
Feb 2014
#135