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In reply to the discussion: Snowden Docs: British Spies Used Sex and 'Dirty Tricks' [View all]booley
(3,855 posts)123. Let me see if I can summarize your argument here.
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So making a message board crash is an infringement of free speech?
..That's a bit of a stretch
I.e. If I disrupt your ability to communicate, how is that infringing on your ability to communicate?
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BUT -- If they targeted a message board heavily used by a child porn ring, is it still an infringement of free speech?
People engaged in lawful activity as part of what they see as their obligation to be politically active are the same as those breaking the law to molest children.
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As to the "they don't have clear lawful authority to launch attacks, let's be frank -- If intelligence services (in any country) always waited for "clear lawful authority" before proceeding, they'd never get anything done
The law is only the law as long as it doesn't' stop people who think they have a really good reason
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...aside from the occasional "gotcha" and the release of true-but-embarrassing-and-not-really-surprising info, what has been the point of this whole charade??
Since we already kind of suspected they did this, why get actual PROOF so that our perception matches reality?
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Somebody get that boy a set of the James Bond movies so he learns what he is dealing with...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#104
Maybe not - but if you voted for them, don't complain that their policies represent "stealing"
brooklynite
Feb 2014
#60
Ahhh . . . taxes pay for roads, bridges, ports, the military, garbage collection . . .
brush
Feb 2014
#106
The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us
cantbeserious
Feb 2014
#115
The garbage still has to be collected, and the roads need to be plowed in the winter. nt
brush
Feb 2014
#116
A Very Libertarian Point Of View - Essential Government Services Only - No More - No Less
cantbeserious
Feb 2014
#117
Libertarians Always Argue For Limited Government - Essential Services Is Limited Government
cantbeserious
Feb 2014
#119
Taxes Are Resources Extracted From The Populace To Benefit The Oligarchs - That Is Theft
cantbeserious
Feb 2014
#124
The Roads Are Paid For By Minions - To Travel To Work - To Benefit The Oligarchs
cantbeserious
Feb 2014
#126
For Those That Work - Roads Are Used - To Pay The Taxes - That Benefit The Oligarchs
cantbeserious
Feb 2014
#128
We Do Not Live In A Nation Of Laws Any Longer - For Proof - Reference The 1%
cantbeserious
Feb 2014
#95
There is no justifiable reason for Snowden/Greenwald to release this kind of information
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#11
It is naive to think that governments do not infringe on civil liberties on a regular basis.
Beacool
Feb 2014
#29
Again, the irrelevant cut and paste from you like it is supposed to make a point...
Demenace
Feb 2014
#38
Again, the irrelevant cut and paste from you like it is supposed to make a point...
xocet
Feb 2014
#76
Did you read the background on your pal or anything that seeks to educate you is...
Demenace
Feb 2014
#77
Wonder if Snowden's 180 degree change of heart had anything to to with a black president? nt
brush
Feb 2014
#110
Wait until the Russians come across some documents that expose Russian spying...
George II
Feb 2014
#23
Snowden's really got his feet taped to the pedals on this whole spying thing
BeyondGeography
Feb 2014
#31
I'm just not worried about Snowden - he's one guy, and he is no longer in a position to handle
Maedhros
Feb 2014
#82
Dude, we are adults, we should be able to do both for the sake of our country...
Demenace
Feb 2014
#94
Were I of the authoritarian mindset I would certainly agree with every word you have posted.
Maedhros
Feb 2014
#143
What has his exposures on foreign activities against foreign nations or governments...
Demenace
Feb 2014
#148
Did you visit Salon.com or anything that does not fit your worldview must be baised?
Demenace
Feb 2014
#96
Can somebody tell Snowden that spies do shit that would be considered unethical in ordinary life?
alcibiades_mystery
Feb 2014
#98
So far, I have not been suprised or shocked on anything Snowden/Greenwald has released
itsrobert
Feb 2014
#135