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Bacchus4.0

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25. ummm, they were right then. The government is committing violence
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 03:18 PM
Feb 2014

your video isn't evidence of shit. Its the government and their agents who are shooting at the protesters.
You never asked me any question. the protesters aren't there to benefit Maduro. The protesters, ironically, began their protests against violence and insecurity in the country due to the extraordinary and unacceptable murder rate in the country set off by the murder of the former Miss Ven and her husband a few weeks off. Maduro doesn't give a shit about the murder rate in Venezuela. If he did, they would actually try and do something about it. Most murders occur in the barrios or committed by those who live there which are bastions of chavista supporters. Add to that the paramilitary chavista supporters who control the barrios and who ride around on motos just like the ones who have been shooting supporters lately.

I imagine you were a fan of Gadafi, Assad, Dim One Il, and any other repressive government too.


here's some physical evidence bobo:

How long before Obama's blamed for this? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #1
No, no, no brooklynite Feb 2014 #2
as were the shooters dlwickham Feb 2014 #11
already has happened Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #4
Well, I'm shocked! SHOCKED, I say! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #8
Where have you been? He's already been blamed repeatedly. He's a lightning rod: freshwest Feb 2014 #57
Obama's everywhere. He's busy destabilizing the Ukraine according to Pooty Poot, all the while.... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #86
Just saw this again. Damn, I love that picture! n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #107
3, 2, 1 treestar Feb 2014 #66
I knew it! Like clockwork! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #85
Whats going on in Venezuela? flightplan Feb 2014 #3
And of course it had to be Maduro that did it. zeemike Feb 2014 #5
Just so we know the source... zeemike Feb 2014 #6
Good post. El Universal is the Faux News of Venezuela. nt Zorra Feb 2014 #7
And if you post a story by "the government run" news zeemike Feb 2014 #9
Didn't you just do the same thing? flightplan Feb 2014 #12
Yes I did and that is my point. zeemike Feb 2014 #14
I don't know, maybe to give the government an excuse to crackdown the opposition? flightplan Feb 2014 #15
That is exactly what the RW wants. This is typical of RW tactics in South America. Zorra Feb 2014 #21
El Universal like faux?! Why? It's more like the NYT, liberal center-right. spanza Feb 2014 #78
If that's the case, why doesn't Maduro just yank their license? His government's good at that. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #10
So what do you think of this report? zeemike Feb 2014 #13
I heard generalities. Igel Feb 2014 #64
Well did you expect them to discuss details? zeemike Feb 2014 #67
RCTV: owned by the Phelps family of Boston. El_Johns Feb 2014 #74
she has died according to this non-El Universal source, hope you feel better Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #17
Don't insult me with that shit. zeemike Feb 2014 #19
you didn't believe the source, I posted that because its in English for the benefit Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #20
And the source has proof that they are "government paramilitary"? zeemike Feb 2014 #22
here you go, no your video is propaganda from Telesur. Government established and funded Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #23
Well that video contained fact in the form of an audio recording. zeemike Feb 2014 #24
ummm, they were right then. The government is committing violence Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #25
You have failed to prove how this is the responsibility of the Venezuelan government. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #28
he hasn't done mierda, the murder rate has risen every year since Chavez came to power Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #29
Again, no evidence that Maduro's gov was responsible. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #30
Maduro is the head of government so the responsibilties are with him, but Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #31
Good, Lopez is a RW shit stirrer who's been inciting violence. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #32
do you have any evidence that Lopez ordered the opposition to shoot themselves? Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #33
Do you have any evidence that Maduro ordered anyone to shoot demonstrators? PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #34
I didn't think so. thats just because fortunately they are poor shots and missed the opposition Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #35
Or maybe the opposition are poor shots and missed the pro-gov protestors. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #36
I just posted in #29 that a government security agent was arrested for the murders of 2 Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #37
How do you know he didn't? PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #38
sounds like conjecture to me. n/t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #40
It is. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #44
I am not afraid of you tube and other sources of information that show the events Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #46
I am not afraid of YouTube either. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #48
No, the police in Ven are national so the president does in fact have ultimate responsibility Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #50
Well then I guess we both have our own trusted sources. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #51
sounds good, and we both like your avatar too n/t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #52
Now that's something we can definitely agree on. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #54
all you did is cite an article from a chavista supporter, and you didn't refute any of my comments Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #42
The "demonstrators shot themselves" theory? Seriously? spanza Feb 2014 #79
Nope. It's more like the "radical opposition is attacking the moderate opposition in order to PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #87
Maduro has no control over the situation. spanza Feb 2014 #102
Using Spanish to taunt, insult a DU'er here without being called on it Judi Lynn Feb 2014 #39
it just means fool boba. It can be feminine too n./t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #41
Again with the emotional pornography zeemike Feb 2014 #45
Except the murder rate in VZ was not always so high hack89 Feb 2014 #47
And it has not always had right wing Columbia to deal with. zeemike Feb 2014 #53
How the hell is Colombia responsible for domestic VZ crime rates? hack89 Feb 2014 #56
Well I learn as I go... zeemike Feb 2014 #59
The issue is murder and kidnapping in the cities hack89 Feb 2014 #60
So they don't count the murders in the countryside in the data? zeemike Feb 2014 #61
No - there are lots of common criminals hack89 Feb 2014 #62
I do not frequent right wing sites so I will defer to your knowledge on that Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #49
Well I did check that...that is why I said it. zeemike Feb 2014 #58
La Nueva Televisora del Sur, C.A. is a public company which has some Latin American governments as i El_Johns Feb 2014 #75
You appeared overzealous to dismiss the report. joshcryer Feb 2014 #68
No more overzealous than some here are to convict Mudruo zeemike Feb 2014 #69
Maduro won't be resigning. joshcryer Feb 2014 #70
I keep having to correct people on this. zeemike Feb 2014 #72
Venezuela is in top 5. It's irrelevant. joshcryer Feb 2014 #73
No accuracy is not irrelevant. zeemike Feb 2014 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author chrisa Feb 2014 #88
Maduro is a joke and should resign. chrisa Feb 2014 #89
Yep he is a Fascist alright zeemike Feb 2014 #92
What Chavez has done is irrelevant - he isn't President anymore. Maduro is no Chavez. chrisa Feb 2014 #94
So what is this "Chavestias" thing all about then? zeemike Feb 2014 #95
I never referred to Maduro supporters as "Chavestias," and who has is irrelevant. chrisa Feb 2014 #96
Scapegoating is a misused term...just so you know. zeemike Feb 2014 #98
"Say what you want but the oil companies want that damn oil, and you want to help them get it." EX500rider Feb 2014 #103
J t bought this thread was finished. zeemike Feb 2014 #104
Downright sad, isn't it? Someone needs a good hobby. n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2014 #105
this may be their hobby...or occupation zeemike Feb 2014 #106
you are not outnumbered (count the recs), just outspoken and thoughtful reddread Feb 2014 #90
Well I am pretty hard to beat down because I am a stubborn old SOB zeemike Feb 2014 #91
"Conservative black op friendly" - Massive strawman chrisa Feb 2014 #93
for future reference, I know its not much, but worth the price paid reddread Feb 2014 #97
So, I take it you do not have a response, then? chrisa Feb 2014 #99
only when we both speak the same language reddread Feb 2014 #100
This has what, exactly, to do with the thread? chrisa Feb 2014 #101
she has died (Spanish language source) Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #16
viva la contrarrevolucion reddread Feb 2014 #18
I'm glad to hear she isn't really dead. penultimate Feb 2014 #26
that cheap remark shows how much class (you lack) and concern you have for her death. n/t reddread Feb 2014 #55
So it wasn't a charade invented to create propaganda material? penultimate Feb 2014 #63
you arent playing stupid? reddread Feb 2014 #65
"suspended disbelief" joshcryer Feb 2014 #71
thank you, of course it is reddread Feb 2014 #76
so we have to "suspend our disbelief" to believe that girl died joshcryer Feb 2014 #77
sounds so familiar, where have I heard that before? reddread Feb 2014 #80
National guards and cops assault priest west Venezuela Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author hughee99 Feb 2014 #43
2 more shot and killed by National Guard last night Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #82
Here's to hoping VZ kicks that Fascist-wannabe out of office. chrisa Feb 2014 #83
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