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63. So it wasn't a charade invented to create propaganda material?

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Wed Feb 19, 2014, 10:05 PM

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At least eight people shot in protests in Valencia, north Venezuela [View all] Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 OP

How long before Obama's blamed for this? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #1

No, no, no brooklynite Feb 2014 #2

as were the shooters dlwickham Feb 2014 #11

already has happened Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #4

Well, I'm shocked! SHOCKED, I say! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #8

Where have you been? He's already been blamed repeatedly. He's a lightning rod: freshwest Feb 2014 #57

Obama's everywhere. He's busy destabilizing the Ukraine according to Pooty Poot, all the while.... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #86

Just saw this again. Damn, I love that picture! n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #107

3, 2, 1 treestar Feb 2014 #66

I knew it! Like clockwork! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #85

Whats going on in Venezuela? flightplan Feb 2014 #3

And of course it had to be Maduro that did it. zeemike Feb 2014 #5

Just so we know the source... zeemike Feb 2014 #6

Good post. El Universal is the Faux News of Venezuela. nt Zorra Feb 2014 #7

And if you post a story by "the government run" news zeemike Feb 2014 #9

Didn't you just do the same thing? flightplan Feb 2014 #12

Yes I did and that is my point. zeemike Feb 2014 #14

I don't know, maybe to give the government an excuse to crackdown the opposition? flightplan Feb 2014 #15

That is exactly what the RW wants. This is typical of RW tactics in South America. Zorra Feb 2014 #21

El Universal like faux?! Why? It's more like the NYT, liberal center-right. spanza Feb 2014 #78

If that's the case, why doesn't Maduro just yank their license? His government's good at that. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #10

So what do you think of this report? zeemike Feb 2014 #13

I heard generalities. Igel Feb 2014 #64

Well did you expect them to discuss details? zeemike Feb 2014 #67

RCTV: owned by the Phelps family of Boston. El_Johns Feb 2014 #74

she has died according to this non-El Universal source, hope you feel better Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #17

Don't insult me with that shit. zeemike Feb 2014 #19

you didn't believe the source, I posted that because its in English for the benefit Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #20

And the source has proof that they are "government paramilitary"? zeemike Feb 2014 #22

here you go, no your video is propaganda from Telesur. Government established and funded Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #23

Well that video contained fact in the form of an audio recording. zeemike Feb 2014 #24

ummm, they were right then. The government is committing violence Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #25

You have failed to prove how this is the responsibility of the Venezuelan government. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #28

he hasn't done mierda, the murder rate has risen every year since Chavez came to power Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #29

Again, no evidence that Maduro's gov was responsible. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #30

Maduro is the head of government so the responsibilties are with him, but Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #31

Good, Lopez is a RW shit stirrer who's been inciting violence. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #32

do you have any evidence that Lopez ordered the opposition to shoot themselves? Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #33

Do you have any evidence that Maduro ordered anyone to shoot demonstrators? PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #34

I didn't think so. thats just because fortunately they are poor shots and missed the opposition Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #35

Or maybe the opposition are poor shots and missed the pro-gov protestors. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #36

I just posted in #29 that a government security agent was arrested for the murders of 2 Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #37

How do you know he didn't? PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #38

sounds like conjecture to me. n/t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #40

It is. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #44

I am not afraid of you tube and other sources of information that show the events Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #46

I am not afraid of YouTube either. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #48

No, the police in Ven are national so the president does in fact have ultimate responsibility Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #50

Well then I guess we both have our own trusted sources. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #51

sounds good, and we both like your avatar too n/t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #52

Now that's something we can definitely agree on. PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #54

all you did is cite an article from a chavista supporter, and you didn't refute any of my comments Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #42

The "demonstrators shot themselves" theory? Seriously? spanza Feb 2014 #79

Nope. It's more like the "radical opposition is attacking the moderate opposition in order to PoliticalPothead Feb 2014 #87

Maduro has no control over the situation. spanza Feb 2014 #102

Using Spanish to taunt, insult a DU'er here without being called on it Judi Lynn Feb 2014 #39

it just means fool boba. It can be feminine too n./t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #41

Again with the emotional pornography zeemike Feb 2014 #45

Except the murder rate in VZ was not always so high hack89 Feb 2014 #47

And it has not always had right wing Columbia to deal with. zeemike Feb 2014 #53

How the hell is Colombia responsible for domestic VZ crime rates? hack89 Feb 2014 #56

Well I learn as I go... zeemike Feb 2014 #59

The issue is murder and kidnapping in the cities hack89 Feb 2014 #60

So they don't count the murders in the countryside in the data? zeemike Feb 2014 #61

No - there are lots of common criminals hack89 Feb 2014 #62

I do not frequent right wing sites so I will defer to your knowledge on that Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #49

Well I did check that...that is why I said it. zeemike Feb 2014 #58

La Nueva Televisora del Sur, C.A. is a public company which has some Latin American governments as i El_Johns Feb 2014 #75

You appeared overzealous to dismiss the report. joshcryer Feb 2014 #68

No more overzealous than some here are to convict Mudruo zeemike Feb 2014 #69

Maduro won't be resigning. joshcryer Feb 2014 #70

I keep having to correct people on this. zeemike Feb 2014 #72

Venezuela is in top 5. It's irrelevant. joshcryer Feb 2014 #73

No accuracy is not irrelevant. zeemike Feb 2014 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author chrisa Feb 2014 #88

Maduro is a joke and should resign. chrisa Feb 2014 #89

Yep he is a Fascist alright zeemike Feb 2014 #92

What Chavez has done is irrelevant - he isn't President anymore. Maduro is no Chavez. chrisa Feb 2014 #94

So what is this "Chavestias" thing all about then? zeemike Feb 2014 #95

I never referred to Maduro supporters as "Chavestias," and who has is irrelevant. chrisa Feb 2014 #96

Scapegoating is a misused term...just so you know. zeemike Feb 2014 #98

"Say what you want but the oil companies want that damn oil, and you want to help them get it." EX500rider Feb 2014 #103

J t bought this thread was finished. zeemike Feb 2014 #104

Downright sad, isn't it? Someone needs a good hobby. n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2014 #105

this may be their hobby...or occupation zeemike Feb 2014 #106

you are not outnumbered (count the recs), just outspoken and thoughtful reddread Feb 2014 #90

Well I am pretty hard to beat down because I am a stubborn old SOB zeemike Feb 2014 #91

"Conservative black op friendly" - Massive strawman chrisa Feb 2014 #93

for future reference, I know its not much, but worth the price paid reddread Feb 2014 #97

So, I take it you do not have a response, then? chrisa Feb 2014 #99

only when we both speak the same language reddread Feb 2014 #100

This has what, exactly, to do with the thread? chrisa Feb 2014 #101

she has died (Spanish language source) Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #16

viva la contrarrevolucion reddread Feb 2014 #18

I'm glad to hear she isn't really dead. penultimate Feb 2014 #26

that cheap remark shows how much class (you lack) and concern you have for her death. n/t reddread Feb 2014 #55

So it wasn't a charade invented to create propaganda material? penultimate Feb 2014 #63

you arent playing stupid? reddread Feb 2014 #65

"suspended disbelief" joshcryer Feb 2014 #71

thank you, of course it is reddread Feb 2014 #76

so we have to "suspend our disbelief" to believe that girl died joshcryer Feb 2014 #77

sounds so familiar, where have I heard that before? reddread Feb 2014 #80

National guards and cops assault priest west Venezuela Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author hughee99 Feb 2014 #43

2 more shot and killed by National Guard last night Bacchus4.0 Feb 2014 #82

Here's to hoping VZ kicks that Fascist-wannabe out of office. chrisa Feb 2014 #83

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