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43. I Was Thinking More About Our History Of Backing Despots

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 02:31 PM

Mar 2014

When they were anti-Communist. Many of the pro-European Union leaders in Ukraine are also Nazi leaning so we need to show a great deal of caution with who we cozy up to. This could well be a lose-lose situation. But when a nation with nuclear weapons is involved we have a national interest in the outcome. Now the interim government has asked for international monitors and May elections so there are also moderates in the government and I had that in mind as the "baby" to avoid throwing out. I'm still in the process of sorting out who the good guys and bad guys are. Indeed, some of those that sound like good guys today may only be saying some short term things to get them over the hump and consolidate power, turning into bad guys at the end of the day.

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Updated 2X: Kerry: US Considering Repercussions For Russia's 'Incredible Act Of Aggression' [View all] DonViejo Mar 2014 OP

a stunning, willful" choice to invade another country." You mean, like Iraq? loudsue Mar 2014 #1

+1,000!!! andlor Mar 2014 #4

my exact thoughts, and why we have lost the moral authority lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #6

Yes. Shut up, Kerry. You have no room to talk. eom truth2power Mar 2014 #7

Kerry speaks for the Obama administration. aquart Mar 2014 #76

Yes, I know. And?.... truth2power Mar 2014 #81

+1 jsr Mar 2014 #8

Yes like Iraq - where in January 2003, Kerry spoke out for "not rushing to war" karynnj Mar 2014 #10

Actually, that's true, karynnj. John Kerry has done a great deal at diplomacy since taking over loudsue Mar 2014 #14

Kerry has been consisently pushing diplomacy over war... YvonneCa Mar 2014 #58

Thank you. Russia is wrong to use military force in that situation. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #40

They have a treaty to allow access to their port. Why Syzygy Mar 2014 #51

In his speech yesterday, Obama acknowledged the right of the Russian government to its JDPriestly Mar 2014 #59

Not sure how they can access their base by "diplomacy". Geography is involved. Why Syzygy Mar 2014 #70

Kerry voted FOR.. sendero Mar 2014 #63

It was a trick vote designed to reel in clueless voters. aquart Mar 2014 #77

I agree... sendero Mar 2014 #80

Fact-checkers have agreed that your excuse for Kerry's behavior is wrong Excelsyor Mar 2014 #72

Politifact is rather biased with regards to Kerry karynnj Mar 2014 #73

Yes, thanks duh-bya for squandering whatever moral authority the US had. trusty elf Mar 2014 #11

That was my first reaction. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #27

He should know. Bill76 Mar 2014 #38

He has ALWAYS been for diplomacy to avoid war if at all possible karynnj Mar 2014 #44

Kerry on Iraq ctsnowman Mar 2014 #55

Thank you! swilton Mar 2014 #61

Wow! Visa bans! Vlad is shaking in his boots 7962 Mar 2014 #2

Apparently, visa bans are an example of "going to the hilt" Bill76 Mar 2014 #3

Would you prefer drones, air attacks, boots on the ground? karynnj Mar 2014 #12

Stop jumping to conclusions. Bill76 Mar 2014 #24

What is your solution or idea of an effective response then? eom DonViejo Mar 2014 #26

No response whatsoever. Bill76 Mar 2014 #28

My excellent reasoning and critical thinking skills were greatly karynnj Mar 2014 #36

Absolutely. +10,000 nt okaawhatever Mar 2014 #45

For you, I recommend making comments with more substance then. Demit Mar 2014 #49

We only do that to people who can't shoot back. :-| n/t DeSwiss Mar 2014 #83

Stop invading or no Netflix for you!! n/t cosmicone Mar 2014 #18

A complete visa band for those who want to live in their amandabeech Mar 2014 #52

Thats a good point, considering the explosion of Russian millionaires & billionaires. 7962 Mar 2014 #64

Of course the Russian oligarchs could just turn Socchi amandabeech Mar 2014 #65

So what would you prefer? That we invade? Smash Moscow to rubble Arkana Mar 2014 #75

To me, this is the first of plays in an agenda. Much as with LGBT to demonstrate power and RKP5637 Mar 2014 #5

I'm sorry, I don't understand the connection with LGBT issues. Bill76 Mar 2014 #25

Yes, there is absolutely no direct connection. It is about power and control. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #33

ah, we invaded Iraq, but when Russia went into Georgia, the fear of what we did in Iraq didn't stop lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #9

The question is whether economic pressure from the uS and Europe karynnj Mar 2014 #16

Kerry is a hypocrite cosmicone Mar 2014 #19

That's pretty rich... Splinter Cell Mar 2014 #32

Ironic, isn't it. n/t amandabeech Mar 2014 #53

Actually, smaller things, if combined, can put a squeeze on Russia-- TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #22

Perfect solution..... paleotn Mar 2014 #29

Or channeling General Buck Turdges... zeemike Mar 2014 #37

Ha!.... paleotn Mar 2014 #56

What alternative is there? Do you think the US could invade Russia and come out in one piece? JDPriestly Mar 2014 #41

We could 'help' breadbasket Ukraine do the trades with the EU they want (Russia doesn't want) Sunlei Mar 2014 #47

We probably will. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #60

I think we will too, along with all the EU members who are also Ukraines closest neighbor countries. Sunlei Mar 2014 #62

Ever notice how often people use "incredible" when they mean "amazing?" malthaussen Mar 2014 #13

Exactly! Russia has always been an imperialist entity. PaulRevere08 Mar 2014 #17

The Black Sea fleet is already based there.... paleotn Mar 2014 #31

Just like the US. Bill76 Mar 2014 #35

The Russians are supposedly building a big base at Novorossiysk amandabeech Mar 2014 #54

Yes, "incredible" is overworked. Bill76 Mar 2014 #34

Democratic process? another_liberal Mar 2014 #15

+1000000 n/t cosmicone Mar 2014 #20

Good point there jsr Mar 2014 #21

We Need To Pick Our Friends Carefully DallasNE Mar 2014 #23

Very good advice, Dallas, we should pick carefully indeed. another_liberal Mar 2014 #30

Good luck getting a response. SolutionisSolidarity Mar 2014 #39

As long as the mega-bankers and money fund managers . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #42

I Was Thinking More About Our History Of Backing Despots DallasNE Mar 2014 #43

I see your point, we do have to be pragmatic . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #48

lol Love it. ctsnowman Mar 2014 #57

“It’s really 19th century behavior in the twenty-first century,"said Kerry. He's right. Sunlei Mar 2014 #46

The Iraq invasion was in 2003 daleo Mar 2014 #66

Makes PERFECT sense actually durablend Mar 2014 #50

Considering Russia got nukes, the explosion American people might get to watch won't just be on LisaL Mar 2014 #67

North America and Europe would be obliterated Aerows Mar 2014 #69

I don't agree with getting involved Aerows Mar 2014 #68

And just how many bases in foreign lands does the US have? BlueInPhilly Mar 2014 #71

As long as we're not talking about war. Arkana Mar 2014 #74

I don't like his last threat. morningfog Mar 2014 #78

listening to Kerry bleat about invading other countries after his support for invading Iraq... mike_c Mar 2014 #79

Rhetoric aside, I'm sure the irony of his statements is not lost on Kerry. Arkana Mar 2014 #82

You think he cares? Nihil Mar 2014 #85

STFU! n/t DeSwiss Mar 2014 #84

Why is the US and EU sticking up for what is in actual fact a coup? arikara Mar 2014 #86