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In reply to the discussion: Study finds E-cigarettes don’t help smokers quit [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)100. Oddly the same tactics used by the gun control advocates in their attempt to ban firearms ...
are being used in the attack on e-cigs.
Highly questionable "studies" are being published to show that e-cigs have no value in helping people who wish to stop actually succeed.
E-cig control advocates are crying, "What about the children."
They also try to create fear that second hand e-cig vapor might contain nicotine and lead to the development of cancer in those exposed to it. This tactic has a chance of success as many people falsely believe it's the nicotine in cigarettes that causes cancer.
Many mistakenly think nicotine causes cancer, rather than the smoke
Saturday 5 November 2005 - 7am PST
***snip***
Researchers from North Shore-LIJ surveyed 1,139 smoking patients (482 males and 657 females) involved in a tobacco cessation program to evaluate smoking perceptions between genders. Of the patients questioned, 71.9 percent of women and 59.4 percent of men believed nicotine causes cancer, while 75 percent of women and 64.5 percent of men admitted to worrying that smoking may give them cancer. More women (71.9 percent) than men (63.1 percent) reported smoking "light cigarettes," believing them to be less harmful.
"People smoke to get the addictive drug, nicotine, but the drug alone does not cause cancer. The delivery system, a cigarette full of hundreds of toxic chemicals that are inhaled along with nicotine, does," said Ms. Reichert. "This misinformation leads many smokers to smoke 'light' cigarettes, thinking they will inhale less nicotine. In reality, smokers tend to smoke more light cigarettes and inhale more deeply to get nicotine from light cigarettes, resulting in a significant amount of harmful chemicals being inhaled." ...emphasis added
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/33023.php
In my opinion the gun control advocates have many good arguments on their side to promote stronger gun control but they often lie and distort the facts about the issue and firearms to garner support for their cause from the less firearm knowledgeable people in our society.
For example it is not uncommon to read that we need another assault weapons ban because the average citizen can walk into a Walmart or a Mom and Pop gun store and buy the same assault rifles common used by military forces across the world. Gun control advocate ignore the fact that true military assault rifles are either fully automatic or bust fire while the rifles sold in Walmart or most local gun stores are semi-automatic. (To foster this misconception that true military rifles can easily be bought everywhere by everybody, I have watched on my TV a fully automatic rifle being fired on the range while the narrator stated that there was no reason for the average citizen to be allowed to own such a firearm.)
I could go on at point out more examples of how gun control advocates and e-cig control advocates use the same tactics. But that might be a better topic for another discussion elsewhere on DU.
To me comparing e-cigs to real cigarettes is a lot like comparing a real firearm to a BB gun. If it were possible to convince many of those who own firearms for target shooting to sell them and buy BB guns or pellet rifles, we would live in a safer society. (As I stated, I do realize that gun control advocates have many good factual and truthful arguments to support their position.) If more people stop smoking real cigarettes and instead smoke e-cigs, I predict cancer deaths and deaths due to cardiovascular disease will drop significantly.
The effort to ban e-cigs seems to me to be a lot like an effort to ban the sale of all BB guns or pellet rifles. There may indeed be some danger to both e-cigs and BB guns but it is far less than the health risk of smoking real cigarettes or the dangers involved in owning real firearms.
I will not be at all surprised if some government funded research "proves" the e-cigs are dangerous. It will merely remind me of all the government sponsored research that proved beyond all doubt that
marijuana has absolutely no medical value.
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I assume it is a religious/morality trip, as the posters who are against e-cig use
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#6
Maybe ego is more important than anyone dying. Beyond morals. Selfish. Or paid n/t
jtuck004
Mar 2014
#9
You really think you're not being "force fed" gases from the car in front of you?
Psephos
Mar 2014
#76
To find out how people quit smoking, you don't talk to smokers, but to former
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#3
It's not really junk science. It's real science, it just seems to be drawing conclusions
hughee99
Mar 2014
#19
It's either done right or it's junk. This is junk. And someone with a so-called dr behind the name
jtuck004
Mar 2014
#23
Was this study designed specifically to compare quit rates for e-cig users vs. non-users?
hughee99
Mar 2014
#39
"We conducted a longitudinal analysis of a national sample of current US smokers to determine....
NoOneMan
Mar 2014
#122
I don't think the results scare anyone. It is a poorly contstructed way to answer the question.
jtuck004
Mar 2014
#120
Hey, if you are comfortable with crap science, go ahead. The author's even say it's
jtuck004
Mar 2014
#126
I'm not drawing a conclusion about whether or not employing e-cigs to quit is helpful
NoOneMan
Mar 2014
#128
No study. Walking around on the street. And all those e-cig stores ain't charities.
jtuck004
Mar 2014
#130
Science is made by people, who lie, cheat, steal and tell what they see as the truth, and
jtuck004
Mar 2014
#138
i never thought that it was a way to quit just a way to get around the additves that companies put
leftyohiolib
Mar 2014
#5
If we can fully determine e-cigs do not effectively help people quit or reduce cigarette consumption
NoOneMan
Mar 2014
#123
NRT's has most certainly not been shown to be more effective than cold-turkey
NoOneMan
Mar 2014
#127
Um. Yes. In response to: "Cold turkey has been proven the most effective way to quit?"
NoOneMan
Mar 2014
#136
bogus 'study' should have used the term nicotine addiction- & explain the health difference between
Sunlei
Mar 2014
#64
One of the main problems I've faced when trying to quit my habit of smoking cigarettes ...
spin
Mar 2014
#68
Oddly the same tactics used by the gun control advocates in their attempt to ban firearms ...
spin
Mar 2014
#100
That may be true but while many gun control advocates state they do not wish to ban ...
spin
Mar 2014
#102
Why is that odd? Is it unfair for me to point out that tactics used by those who favor ...
spin
Mar 2014
#105
The term I used was in the first sentence of my reply was "greatly resisting and banning."
spin
Mar 2014
#119
Apparently many don't realize that vaping is not smoking. That the particles released in the exhale
OregonBlue
Mar 2014
#95
Which is why I don't want to see this option taxed/regulated out of existence. n/t
Yo_Mama
Mar 2014
#167
Quitting what? Apparently you think the whole idea is for people to quit nicotine.
Demit
Mar 2014
#155
OMG, ALERT THE FDA! They've mistakenly approved nicotine patches, lozenges & gum.
Demit
Mar 2014
#180