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164. The Adults Next Door

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:41 PM

Mar 2014

I've been watching the carpenters, painters, gardeners who are fixing the house next door.

The last tenants were 5 grad students 26 - 29 years old who left the house in shambles.

In one short year they managed to turn a lovely home into a wreck. Not once did they water the lawn, shovel the snow, cut the grass, and their idea of compost was to toss garbage under a tree. They broke doors and window coverings. The weeds jumped over to our yard making it hard for my husband to keep up.

They knew I walked with a cane and yet days would go by before they'd move their cars in snow and ice. Neighbors cleared a path so the older dog walkers wouldn't slip/fall on the sidewalk. The owner was in prison for mortgage fraud and the house went into foreclosure.

Was ever so glad to see these decision makers leave the neighborhood.

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Study finds E-cigarettes don’t help smokers quit [View all] onehandle Mar 2014 OP

Well, that's one study. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #1

Countered already Treant Mar 2014 #27

I quit after 39 years using them. I think the study needs refined. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #35

I think the study Treant Mar 2014 #37

It also matters whether the definition of 'quitting smoking' encompasses ... brett_jv Mar 2014 #54

Agreed Treant Mar 2014 #58

"...predicted successful quitting or reduced cigarette consumption" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #111

Against my better judgement Treant Mar 2014 #186

Can you give me a link re the personal vaporizers? Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #154

"but they actually chose people who wished to quit" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #97

Response Treant Mar 2014 #187

Read how the study was conducted. It was totally bogus and proved nothing. OregonBlue Mar 2014 #2

I assume it is a religious/morality trip, as the posters who are against e-cig use Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #6

Maybe ego is more important than anyone dying. Beyond morals. Selfish. Or paid n/t jtuck004 Mar 2014 #9

Its a high-horse thing. bunnies Mar 2014 #13

But don't we have the right not to breathe others' filth? alp227 Mar 2014 #32

Isn't that the parents' job? Treant Mar 2014 #40

True, but if no smoking/drinking is allowed in public parks "because children", alp227 Mar 2014 #73

'Cause current data Treant Mar 2014 #81

Shouldn't people be allowed to breathe fresh air in parks? alp227 Mar 2014 #82

I dunno Treant Mar 2014 #84

Guess what? 100 non smokers have more rights than 1 smoker in a public park. nt alp227 Mar 2014 #85

Guess what? Treant Mar 2014 #86

OK let me answer your question that's on a shoddy premise anyway, alp227 Mar 2014 #87

I'm sorry... Treant Mar 2014 #94

You do every time you drive your cancer-causing-chemical-emitting car, jtuck004 Mar 2014 #96

stop making sense... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #109

There is no "filth" in vaping. bunnies Mar 2014 #43

I'm willing Treant Mar 2014 #46

Thats one of the things that gets me. bunnies Mar 2014 #47

My Wife Is Totally Against Vaping. jayfish Mar 2014 #57

Any ETA Treant Mar 2014 #61

No ETA But;... jayfish Mar 2014 #70

Speaking of skin moisture using glycerin Michigan-Arizona Mar 2014 #131

Her second hand smoke is hurting you. fun n serious Mar 2014 #197

Like Nancy Reagan said. Just say No. And that worked so well... n/t jtuck004 Mar 2014 #49

And yet she couldn't take her own advice SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #117

LOL. California - Smog everywhere ROTFLMAO yeoman6987 Mar 2014 #53

first of all it's "you're" not "your" alp227 Mar 2014 #67

Oh please yeoman6987 Mar 2014 #71

Easier to walk away from a moving vehicle's fumes than a rude smoker. nt alp227 Mar 2014 #74

You really think you're not being "force fed" gases from the car in front of you? Psephos Mar 2014 #76

you have no idea what you're talking about.. frylock Mar 2014 #78

The only thing thicker than the smog here is the sanctimony. Throd Mar 2014 #89

This. +10000 Psephos Mar 2014 #77

Agreed Treant Mar 2014 #28

Most of the "bogus" comments are pretty bogus in themselves NoOneMan Mar 2014 #112

It's a money thing Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #153

To find out how people quit smoking, you don't talk to smokers, but to former Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #3

"It's an example of bogus or junk science," said Dr. Michael Siegel..." jtuck004 Mar 2014 #4

Exactly! nt snappyturtle Mar 2014 #16

It's not really junk science. It's real science, it just seems to be drawing conclusions hughee99 Mar 2014 #19

It's either done right or it's junk. This is junk. And someone with a so-called dr behind the name jtuck004 Mar 2014 #23

Look where it came from Treant Mar 2014 #29

*snort* AND lol. That's a two-fer.n/t jtuck004 Mar 2014 #48

Was this study designed specifically to compare quit rates for e-cig users vs. non-users? hughee99 Mar 2014 #39

"We conducted a longitudinal analysis of a national sample of current US smokers to determine.... NoOneMan Mar 2014 #122

Siegel needs to take 5 minutes to review the research NoOneMan Mar 2014 #113

I don't think the results scare anyone. It is a poorly contstructed way to answer the question. jtuck004 Mar 2014 #120

That thread you cited is a bogus mess that's been ripped to shreds NoOneMan Mar 2014 #121

Hey, if you are comfortable with crap science, go ahead. The author's even say it's jtuck004 Mar 2014 #126

I'm not drawing a conclusion about whether or not employing e-cigs to quit is helpful NoOneMan Mar 2014 #128

No study. Walking around on the street. And all those e-cig stores ain't charities. jtuck004 Mar 2014 #130

So anecdotes? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #132

Anecdotes are as good as bad science from people with an agenda any day. jtuck004 Mar 2014 #133

Any science you disagree with isn't "bad science" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #135

Science is made by people, who lie, cheat, steal and tell what they see as the truth, and jtuck004 Mar 2014 #138

Find me a human who doesn't lie, cheat or steal and Ill find you a liar NoOneMan Mar 2014 #142

Yup. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2014 #143

i never thought that it was a way to quit just a way to get around the additves that companies put leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #5

Once you switch from smoking to vaping, you HAVE quit smoking. Demit Mar 2014 #17

Exactly, and this is THE critical point of 'wrongness' about this study ... brett_jv Mar 2014 #59

No, that's the wrongness of knee-jerkers NoOneMan Mar 2014 #144

Ecigs Lamonte Mar 2014 #183

It worked for me tortoise1956 Mar 2014 #7

It breaks the habit of reaching and lighting up... IthinkThereforeIAM Mar 2014 #11

I have quit smoking and e-cigs helped They_Live Mar 2014 #14

Ditto for me ... I quite in one day after 40+ years frazzled Mar 2014 #25

Congratulations! Treant Mar 2014 #33

Seems like there is a group who really want to kill e-cigs malthaussen Mar 2014 #8

the tobacco companies, for one shanti Mar 2014 #51

Jenny McCarthy Says They Are Cool otohara Mar 2014 #10

Coming from a woman who thinks not vaccinating your kids are Cool too LynneSin Mar 2014 #12

Kids? SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #41

The Mom in Me otohara Mar 2014 #106

People in their 20s are no longer kids SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #110

E-Cigarettes Spark Interest Among Millennials otohara Mar 2014 #145

He should actually vape weed SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author otohara Mar 2014 #158

No problem SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #160

Your son & his friends are adults. They make their own decisions. Not you. Demit Mar 2014 #114

The Adults Next Door otohara Mar 2014 #164

What on earth does that have to do with your kids making their own decisions? Demit Mar 2014 #166

This "study" is horseshit. OP ought to delete this. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #15

The OP is A Well Known Anti-Vaper... jayfish Mar 2014 #60

I'm the Dean of the University of California. onehandle Mar 2014 #69

I hope e-cigs work, I know a few people who really need to quit smoking. tofuandbeer Mar 2014 #18

They do work, and they work very well. n/t bitchkitty Mar 2014 #20

+1 tofuandbeer Mar 2014 #22

They do Treant Mar 2014 #24

That is awesome! tofuandbeer Mar 2014 #90

I have had the same experience as you Egnever Mar 2014 #175

They work well Ahpook Mar 2014 #26

I started with a cheapie disposable Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #36

Congrats! Egnever Mar 2014 #176

+1 tofuandbeer Mar 2014 #91

Well, here's my personal experience Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #30

Congratulations! Treant Mar 2014 #34

My kit actually has variable voltage Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #38

Oooh, you got a good one! Treant Mar 2014 #42

I got a Vision 1000 kit Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #52

I DIY Treant Mar 2014 #63

I'm very happy with it Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #66

Dont rush into DIY Egnever Mar 2014 #177

Congrats :) Ahpook Mar 2014 #104

So Proud of you Prophet yeoman6987 Mar 2014 #55

Thanks very much Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #98

Woo hoo! Congrats! tofuandbeer Mar 2014 #92

Thanks, man! Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #99

They worked for me Egnever Mar 2014 #174

This study is just plain wrong. n/t bitchkitty Mar 2014 #21

Patches and drugs don't either in that they are addictions also so..... glinda Mar 2014 #31

Even if this silly Mickey Mouse study could be taken seriously SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #44

If we can fully determine e-cigs do not effectively help people quit or reduce cigarette consumption NoOneMan Mar 2014 #123

Cold turkey has been proven the most effective way to quit? SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #125

NRT's has most certainly not been shown to be more effective than cold-turkey NoOneMan Mar 2014 #127

The link you posted is a survey on NRTs SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #134

Um. Yes. In response to: "Cold turkey has been proven the most effective way to quit?" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #136

By all means please do SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #140

Ok, so check out your list NoOneMan Mar 2014 #141

Randomized control tirals SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #147

The OP study is of ~1000 current smokers NoOneMan Mar 2014 #148

Confirmation Bias Treant Mar 2014 #189

Yes, I hope you addressed your problem NoOneMan Mar 2014 #191

Naw, I'll keep my "problem" Treant Mar 2014 #202

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #204

Here is how fucked up this "study" is: KittyWampus Mar 2014 #45

So, which tobacco company sponsored this study? pffshht Mar 2014 #50

Half the major tobacco companies have bought up e-cig companies. onehandle Mar 2014 #56

And They Are ALL Garbage. jayfish Mar 2014 #62

The masses buy what's at the Kwik-E-Mart. onehandle Mar 2014 #65

Any numbers to back that up? jayfish Mar 2014 #72

Not really, energumen Mar 2014 #192

bogus 'study' should have used the term nicotine addiction- & explain the health difference between Sunlei Mar 2014 #64

One of the main problems I've faced when trying to quit my habit of smoking cigarettes ... spin Mar 2014 #68

Nobody in this thread or in the linked article brought up banning anything? onehandle Mar 2014 #75

When You... jayfish Mar 2014 #80

Specious thinking/slander. You should work for the NRA. nt onehandle Mar 2014 #88

Oddly the same tactics used by the gun control advocates in their attempt to ban firearms ... spin Mar 2014 #100

Nobody in this thread or in the linked article brought up banning anything. onehandle Mar 2014 #101

That may be true but while many gun control advocates state they do not wish to ban ... spin Mar 2014 #102

Nobody in this thread or in the linked article brought up guns either. onehandle Mar 2014 #103

Why is that odd? Is it unfair for me to point out that tactics used by those who favor ... spin Mar 2014 #105

Banning is the same as regulating? onehandle Mar 2014 #118

The term I used was in the first sentence of my reply was "greatly resisting and banning." spin Mar 2014 #119

Exactly energumen Mar 2014 #193

Young man knew stopped smoking HockeyMom Mar 2014 #79

From what some said above, Treant Mar 2014 #83

Smoking an ecig... SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #115

There's the flaw Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #150

You know how smokers quit? By quitting. PeteSelman Mar 2014 #93

The science basically agrees with you NoOneMan Mar 2014 #124

Apparently many don't realize that vaping is not smoking. That the particles released in the exhale OregonBlue Mar 2014 #95

they need to differentiate addiction to nicotine and smoking Skittles Mar 2014 #107

My DIL smokes a couple of cigs every few weeks HockeyMom Mar 2014 #116

the subject is whether or not E-cigs help people stop smoking Skittles Mar 2014 #129

They were the only thing... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #108

The real question is why e-cigs works so well to help some people quit Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #151

I went with a decent setup... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #157

Wow, that is not much nicotine! n/t Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #163

I used to smoke a pack a day... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #165

Which is why I don't want to see this option taxed/regulated out of existence. n/t Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #167

as an ex-smoker energumen Mar 2014 #194

I don't use them to quit smoking riverwalker Mar 2014 #137

Also, e-cig smokers are only 57% as cool as tobacco smokers. Pterodactyl Mar 2014 #139

Well, That's True RobinA Mar 2014 #162

But so many smokers have quit using them!!! Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #149

E-cigarettes are still a nicotine delivery system... Historic NY Mar 2014 #152

Quitting what? Apparently you think the whole idea is for people to quit nicotine. Demit Mar 2014 #155

It's the nicotine that causes heart diseases jmowreader Mar 2014 #178

OMG, ALERT THE FDA! They've mistakenly approved nicotine patches, lozenges & gum. Demit Mar 2014 #180

They didn't approve them for long-term use jmowreader Mar 2014 #181

Oh. Exactly how long does the FDA approve them for? What's the cutoff? Demit Mar 2014 #182

8 to 10 weeks is the treatment regime jmowreader Mar 2014 #184

Here's a little news for you, with a link: the FDA does not consider nicotine a carcinogen. Demit Mar 2014 #190

Oh really? jmowreader Mar 2014 #198

This Doesn't Read RobinA Mar 2014 #199

Really. Your original quote: "It's nicotine that causes heart diseases." Demit Mar 2014 #200

Actually, Treant Mar 2014 #188

Well, but that's not exactly true Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #156

No Kidding! RobinA Mar 2014 #161

Who cares? MosheFeingold Mar 2014 #159

Quit in a day.... RedFury Mar 2014 #168

How long ago did you quit? Lars28 Mar 2014 #169

A bit... RedFury Mar 2014 #170

Good for you. Lars28 Mar 2014 #171

Thank you RedFury Mar 2014 #172

The wife and I quit in a day also. beevul Mar 2014 #173

I stilll use an ego style fun n serious Mar 2014 #196

Awesome! Egnever Mar 2014 #179

Thanks... RedFury Mar 2014 #201

A Fun Takedown Of This Study Treant Mar 2014 #185

HaHa. I qui the same day I started to Vape.. fun n serious Mar 2014 #195

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