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Half-Century Man

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9. And the fact that the US was concealing secret negations

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 02:30 PM

Mar 2014

with the enemies of a treaty partner means nothing.

This was done by the same people who conducted secret negotiations with the revolutionary council of Iran and sold the weapons in exchange for not releasing the Embassy hostages until Reagan won and assumed the presidency. The same group of people who lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

We can spy on anyone, including our very own citizens, with impunity. And we expect a different standard from every other human being (be they singular or in a group)?

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U.S. could free Israeli spy in deal to save peace talks: source close to talks [View all] alp227 Mar 2014 OP

Why the fuck does Israel want Pollard back so badly? The Stranger Mar 2014 #1

He's a hero in Israel atreides1 Mar 2014 #2

Yes. Obviously... JackRiddler Mar 2014 #41

Yes, how dare any Palestinians get their land back... mikeysnot Apr 2014 #52

How far back do you wabt to go. HERVEPA Apr 2014 #77

He's a piece of shit LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #3

He should rot in jail 4dsc Mar 2014 #35

They see it as a travesty of justice. Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #4

He betrayed his own country, regardless of who he spied for LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #5

I see you totally ignoring leftynyc Mar 2014 #6

I see you totally ignoring The Stranger Mar 2014 #7

Just like us and Germany. Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #10

When did Germany spy on the U.S. (post WWII)? The Stranger Mar 2014 #15

It was the other way round (though Germany might well be doing the same) LeftishBrit Mar 2014 #16

I didn't ask you "the other way around." I asked you when did Germany spy on the U.S. The Stranger Mar 2014 #18

The point of the post was that the US spies on its friends, Germany for example. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #21

You have no valid point and your post is irrelevant. The Stranger Apr 2014 #67

You asked when did Germany spy on us? JDPriestly Apr 2014 #70

No -- you said "Us and Germany" The Stranger Apr 2014 #71

That's because we spied on Germany. Germany did not spy on us. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #73

Riiiiight - no allies leftynyc Mar 2014 #11

Yeah, this isn't a tapped phone line, and you know it. The Stranger Mar 2014 #17

If you think Israel is the only country leftynyc Mar 2014 #19

I asked for examples, links, of other countries spying on the U.S. The Stranger Apr 2014 #68

Ooooh - it's only countries leftynyc Apr 2014 #69

Then stop posting in response. The Stranger Apr 2014 #72

No (n/t) leftynyc Apr 2014 #80

Allies certainly spy on each other.... Adrahil Mar 2014 #29

And I see you totally ignoring what I wrote LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #8

I have no problem with Pollard leftynyc Mar 2014 #12

The law does allow the revocation of the citizenship of natural born citizens. LTG Apr 2014 #47

Thanks for the information leftynyc Apr 2014 #48

I share your sentiments... Deuce Apr 2014 #51

Pollard consistently violated is plea agreement not to disclose further info, Ash_F Mar 2014 #13

Pollard is eligible for parole next year. amandabeech Apr 2014 #66

Pollard is in prison longer than other spies by his own choice. Xithras Mar 2014 #25

I didn't know all that, but it's definitely important to keep in mind LiberalEsto Apr 2014 #59

"Actual enemies." JackRiddler Mar 2014 #42

You do realize that your opinion leftynyc Apr 2014 #45

As opposed to yours? JackRiddler Apr 2014 #53

Spying is one thing. He was a US citizen and employee ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2014 #49

And the fact that the US was concealing secret negations Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #9

Nobody's hands are clean Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #23

Every power spies. But if spies get caught, they are punished. NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #30

BINGO!!! And Israel has never shown it can be trusted. nt kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #38

in that sense, the condition even coming into play is bad PR for Israel yurbud Apr 2014 #65

Israel took these secrets and traded/sold them to the Soviets Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #40

I have been addressing this level of hatred for Israel for 30+ years. Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #44

Quayle knows how to write? Well, I'll be. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2014 #50

I hope you are judged with greater compassion than you give. Half-Century Man Apr 2014 #55

Judged, as in by some higher being? ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2014 #57

Judged as in , by your fellow human beings. Half-Century Man Apr 2014 #58

You are certainly half of something ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2014 #75

I'm sure you feel better now. Half-Century Man Apr 2014 #78

Pollard is a cautionary tale to all who might betray their country. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #28

Human decency? question everything Mar 2014 #32

He has never shown remorse for his actions LiberalEsto Apr 2014 #74

maybe he has some info that he didn't get to them yurbud Apr 2014 #64

What are the odds: 1000words Mar 2014 #14

I would say pretty high Paulie Mar 2014 #20

I would put in on that bet & dbl down that they will giftedgirl77 Apr 2014 #76

And what is Israel giving up? Just a handful of Palestinians? Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #22

Haaretz says that the deal would also include a freeze on settlements karynnj Mar 2014 #24

kick. Thanks for posting. +1 eom Purveyor Mar 2014 #26

Kerry is insane if he put that on the table Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #27

If as Israeli accounts say, Israel agrees to stop building settlements AND release prisoners - karynnj Mar 2014 #33

It would be interesting to see nilesobek Mar 2014 #31

Or conversely - those demanding amnesty for Snowden may be among those saying no here karynnj Mar 2014 #34

Kick n/t Tx4obama Mar 2014 #36

I hope they don't do it. Israel control us too much with its bribery and BS. kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #37

careful what you say, alp227 Mar 2014 #43

I think Pollard is a criminal and should not be released. Pterodactyl Mar 2014 #39

One of the more ridiculous.. sendero Apr 2014 #46

That deal promises nothing except to keep the talks going. Palestinians will be released only to kelliekat44 Apr 2014 #56

he should NOT be released riverwalker Apr 2014 #54

Pollard is a criminal MosheFeingold Apr 2014 #60

should let Pollard go home, he's been in prison for decades. even if he was a spy in the olden days Sunlei Apr 2014 #61

Time To Put the Pollard Case to Rest—by Demanding He Be Set Free Mosby Apr 2014 #62

Let's look forward Larry the Cable Dude Apr 2014 #63

Perfect no_hypocrisy Apr 2014 #79