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Ash_F

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19. If someone is sexually assaulted, they THEN have the right to defend themselves.

Mon May 19, 2014, 08:06 PM

May 2014

Elbowing is a self-defense technique that is taught in many women's self-defense classes. If elbowing him stopped the squeezing, which was enough to burst the capillaries of her breast, for even one second, then I don't see anything wrong with that.

Do you see anything wrong with that? If resistance can prevent painful ongoing sexual assault, even if it can only prevent it for a short time until the larger person overpowers the victim, do you think that is wrong?

The case is being appealed because evidence was withheld form the start. The cop's past assaults and indiscretions were deemed immaterial. This is wrong, it is very material. The judge made a mistake. He seems like a 'good old boy' protecting one of his own. Hopefully the appeals court has better judges.

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Occupy Wall Street protester Cecily McMillan sentenced to 90 days for assaulting cop [View all] DonViejo May 2014 OP

Grab their breasts and when they fight back... Charge 'em with assault. The NYPD is Genius 951-Riverside May 2014 #1

And the ones who refuse even video evidence are here BAM in the thread LOL snooper2 May 2014 #5

... Ash_F May 2014 #13

You mean the blurry video? Seen it and still believe her. NutmegYankee May 2014 #15

A pacifist who elbows a cop. Sure. randome May 2014 #43

Pacifists still believe in self defense against sexual assault. NutmegYankee May 2014 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author undiegrinder May 2014 #23

at least she didn't get the book (2-7 years) thrown at her, alp227 May 2014 #2

am so happy for her and her family that her sentence is only 90 days... woot woot! secondwind May 2014 #3

That tit came out of NO WHERE! Officer Bovell's lucky he didn't lose his hand. DRoseDARs May 2014 #4

Given the video, she got a very good result. nt msanthrope May 2014 #6

You mean the video where the officer clearly had his hand between her armpit and over her breast? Ash_F May 2014 #12

Here..where she hits the cop...it's what turned the jury, apparently... msanthrope May 2014 #16

In that same video you can see he has his hand between her armpit BEFORE she elbowed him. Ash_F May 2014 #17

You mean where she cross checked the cop? Look...I'm not defending the officer...I'm pointing out msanthrope May 2014 #18

If someone is sexually assaulted, they THEN have the right to defend themselves. Ash_F May 2014 #19

But the video did not support her claim of being sexually assaulted, and then hitting the cop per msanthrope May 2014 #21

Video clearly shows his right hand going between her armpit from behind and over her breast. Ash_F May 2014 #22

Clearly, the prosecutor was well-prepared on that point: msanthrope May 2014 #24

The judge made an error in barring the officer's character. A willful error. Ash_F May 2014 #25

The ticketing scandal was brought in....and sucessfully parried by the prosecutor. msanthrope May 2014 #27

Yeah leaving a sexual predator on the streets is not abusing his discretion. Ash_F May 2014 #29

Well, if McMillian wishes to file an excessive force/sexual misconduct complaint, she is welcome to msanthrope May 2014 #31

Indeed, the justice system failed at every level in this case. Ash_F May 2014 #33

One could argue that the failure is that a white, intellectual woman with financial backing, msanthrope May 2014 #37

Your defense of this brutal sexual assault is noted Ash_F May 2014 #38

Well, aren't you asking two questions there? msanthrope May 2014 #39

Squeezing it to the point of bruising isn't? Ash_F May 2014 #44

It does seem that the jury in this case did not find that claim credible. I don't know if they msanthrope May 2014 #45

And it is clear that most of them regret it. Ash_F May 2014 #47

Well...I don't think they regret the verdict....merely a possible sentence. But she got a very good msanthrope May 2014 #48

They said they were appealing. Ash_F May 2014 #49

Yeah..let me know when they actually have an attorney, and when that attorney has made msanthrope May 2014 #50

That was her attorney. Ash_F May 2014 #51

Her appellate attorney. When they hire one of those, then an appeal is actually in the offing. nt msanthrope May 2014 #52

I just looked up the appeals court and it is 3 Dems, 4 pubs Ash_F May 2014 #53

Wait a minute - when you accuse someone of a crime, including sexual assault, aren't they also 24601 May 2014 #65

The jury did not receive all of the facts Ash_F May 2014 #66

The cop has not been tried by a jury - only trial by DU accusation. No jury has judged him guilty. 24601 May 2014 #68

It's going to appeals. Ash_F May 2014 #70

A case that hasn't been tried isn't going to be appealed. I judge it matters not who appointed 24601 May 2014 #71

That's adorable. Ash_F May 2014 #72

I could understand differing with a jury treestar May 2014 #60

Squeezing someones breast to the point of bruising is more than worthy of that. Ash_F May 2014 #63

Looks like there is some question of whether the cop caused that bruising. treestar May 2014 #75

I direct you to read the subthread and links found therein Ash_F May 2014 #80

She may have hit the cop simply to hit the cop... randys1 May 2014 #26

She was drunk. She also claims she can't recall hitting the cop. msanthrope May 2014 #32

Yeah, lucky, and while Bush and Cheney roam free, injustice is everywhere randys1 May 2014 #34

The fact is, if a crime were perpetrated against you, would you be satisfied with the defendant msanthrope May 2014 #36

No, you just made my point though, didnt you! randys1 May 2014 #40

Apparently treestar May 2014 #62

As it the guy who ordered a drone strike on a US Citizen. Are you willing to throw him under the 24601 May 2014 #67

absurd comparison randys1 May 2014 #69

And it was up to the jury treestar May 2014 #59

You've got it....the jury is the fact-finder here. nt msanthrope May 2014 #61

I heard she was just standing her ground. blkmusclmachine May 2014 #7

the cop was in plain clothes warrprayer May 2014 #8

In plain clothes, and approaching from behind, where she couldn't see him Mister Ed May 2014 #57

So if I see a woman grabbed from behind by some guy in street clothes christx30 May 2014 #79

None of those cops should have been there in the first place. Hissyspit May 2014 #9

If you stand for justice in America, you are targeted, beaten and thrown away like trash randys1 May 2014 #35

And yet the Budny fucktwits train their guns on Federal Agents. Fantastic Anarchist May 2014 #41

Yes, no justice in America, very rare anyway randys1 May 2014 #42

Federal Law enforcement is saturated with people who think just like Bundy Ash_F May 2014 #46

It's good to see the pro sexual assault Duers are here BAM right on time! /nt Ash_F May 2014 #10

Excerpt from her legal team's response. Ash_F May 2014 #11

FIVE YEARS PROBATION JackRiddler May 2014 #14

Not to mention that the Felony conviction... NutmegYankee May 2014 #20

With the busted blood vessels she had on her chest and the way that cop Jamastiene May 2014 #28

she needs a full pardon! That police thug grabbed her breast HARD, from behind. She had a right t Sunlei May 2014 #30

The jury did not agree treestar May 2014 #58

And the Zimmerman jury found him not guilty. NutmegYankee May 2014 #64

+1 n/t NealK May 2014 #73

Not every time we disagree with them treestar May 2014 #74

it should be time served at worst. yurbud May 2014 #54

Can she go back and charge the cop for sexual assault or sue the Police Department? yurbud May 2014 #55

This was not an attempt at keeping the peace, nilesobek May 2014 #76

90 days seems fair Niceguy1 May 2014 #77

A good summary of the case and the defendant here BeyondGeography May 2014 #78