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In reply to the discussion: Iraq crisis: Tony Blair rejects 'bizarre' claims 2003 invasion caused current situation [View all]bemildred
(90,061 posts)34. You might find this interesting:
Can Obama pull a Nixon with the Iraq crisis?
For the United States, the Iraq war ranks as the most consequential foreign policy failure since Vietnam. In neither instance did U.S. forces succumb to outright defeat, of course. In both, with victory proving elusive, Americans wearied of the fight and simply walked away, abandoning the people for whom their troops had ostensibly fought.
In terms of outcomes, however, these two conflicts differ in crucial respects. In Vietnam, we quit and got away with it. Lyndon Johnson's recklessness in expanding the war found its counterpart in Richard Nixon's cynicism in ending it. When after a mere three years of "peace with honor" the Republic of Vietnam collapsed, Americans shrugged.
In Southeast Asia, many people Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotians paid (and continue to pay) for the havoc that the United States wreaked there. By comparison, even taking into account the 58,000 American dead, this country paid next to nothing. Strategically, the United States got off scot-free. Committing to memory the war's canonical lesson "No more Vietnams" Americans moved on. That was that.
Iraq offers a striking contrast. Considerably smaller in scale than Vietnam, America's misadventure in Iraq has already given rise to vastly larger strategic implications. There, recklessness has found its counterpart not in cynicism but in an unfathomable combination of naivete and listlessness. The recklessness was that of George W. Bush. The naivete and listlessness grandiose talk seldom translating into concerted action have become the hallmarks of Barack Obama's approach to statecraft.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0615-bacevich-iraq-failure-vietnam-20140615-story.html#navtype=outfit
For the United States, the Iraq war ranks as the most consequential foreign policy failure since Vietnam. In neither instance did U.S. forces succumb to outright defeat, of course. In both, with victory proving elusive, Americans wearied of the fight and simply walked away, abandoning the people for whom their troops had ostensibly fought.
In terms of outcomes, however, these two conflicts differ in crucial respects. In Vietnam, we quit and got away with it. Lyndon Johnson's recklessness in expanding the war found its counterpart in Richard Nixon's cynicism in ending it. When after a mere three years of "peace with honor" the Republic of Vietnam collapsed, Americans shrugged.
In Southeast Asia, many people Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotians paid (and continue to pay) for the havoc that the United States wreaked there. By comparison, even taking into account the 58,000 American dead, this country paid next to nothing. Strategically, the United States got off scot-free. Committing to memory the war's canonical lesson "No more Vietnams" Americans moved on. That was that.
Iraq offers a striking contrast. Considerably smaller in scale than Vietnam, America's misadventure in Iraq has already given rise to vastly larger strategic implications. There, recklessness has found its counterpart not in cynicism but in an unfathomable combination of naivete and listlessness. The recklessness was that of George W. Bush. The naivete and listlessness grandiose talk seldom translating into concerted action have become the hallmarks of Barack Obama's approach to statecraft.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0615-bacevich-iraq-failure-vietnam-20140615-story.html#navtype=outfit
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Iraq crisis: Tony Blair rejects 'bizarre' claims 2003 invasion caused current situation [View all]
bemildred
Jun 2014
OP
Blair is (and always was) a tool. The sobriquet "poodle" was not chosen by accident. nt
bemildred
Jun 2014
#46
Well, on the one hand, she is running. On the other hand, she is not worried about appeasing McCain.
bemildred
Jun 2014
#26
notice how he says - cauldron of Middle East - changing the question so he can distort
Justice
Jun 2014
#28
it's like the "thousand years of ethnic/religious conflict": it's a GREAT dodge that neatly erases
MisterP
Jun 2014
#38
He needs to be standing in the dock at the Hague with Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld.
LoisB
Jun 2014
#31
Saddam Hussein was a thug, but we & UK killed a hell of a lot more Iraqis than he did
yurbud
Jun 2014
#35
Blair is so compromised and full of shit that the truth is now bizarre to his corrupted eyes.
TheKentuckian
Jun 2014
#36
Incompetent coupled with dangerous ideas and denial plague this piece of shit of a man.
Jefferson23
Jun 2014
#47