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happyslug

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10. The Man who Declared War on Germany and that was Neville Chamberlain.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:16 PM
Jul 2014

People forget Chamberlain was Prime Minister when Britain went to War in 1939. His speech about "peace in our time" was a simple statement for the press, but in reality what France and Britain were doing was buying time, neither were ready for war in 1938, and in fact would NOT have been ready for war till 1941. Germany was much stronger then Britain and France in 1938, 1939 and can be seen in the French Campaign of 1940, still stronger in 1940. One ENGLISH observer made the point, that the Battle of Britain was won by the French holding out till the end of June, that gave Britain the time to have enough Spitfire and Hurricane Fighters AND to have their radar system installed so they could defeat the German Air Offensive of the Summer of 1940. In fact, Britain was about to admit defeat in the Battle of Britain for the British had decided to withdraw its remaining fighters to Northern England when the Germans decided to switch to bombing cities (The previous German Air Attacks were aimed at air bases and air planes to gain Air Superiority). That switch gave Britain more time, but it shows how close the Germans came to Victory, and the difference was the six weeks of Air Plane production provided by the French Army tying up the German Forces, thus delaying the Battle of Britain till Britain had that extra six weeks of fighter production.

The six weeks the French Army held out in 1940 after the battle of Dunkirk, was the six weeks of Fighter Production that permitted Britain to win the Battle of Britain. That air production was Chamberlain's baby, Churchill only became Prime Minister on May 10th, 1940, as German Tanks stormed into France. Churchill did NOT become the leader of the Conservative Party till November 1940 (When Chamberlain died).

The reason for the Switch is complicated, various stories have been told, the best and most logical was the Labor Party refused to work under Chamberlain do to Chamberlain's relationship with the Labor Party during the 1927 General Strike. In 1940, everyone wanted a coalition government of the three parties then in Parliament, but Labour was NOT about to work under Chamberlain do to Chamberlain's actions during the 1927 General Strike. Chamberlain could remain head of the single largest party in Parliament and be Prime Minister for the Conservative parties held over 1/2 of the seats in Parliament, but Labour would NOT work with him and it was decided that Labour had to be part of the Government, not in opposition. Thus Chamberlain had to go, NOT because of Munich, but the General Strike of 1927. Churchill had been almost supportive of Labor during the General Strike and thus acceptable to Labour as Prime Minister of a Government Labour was part of.

Please note, Churchill being made Prime Minster was not something applauded at the time, it was almost "Churchill? That is the best we can do?" The Conservative party actually OPPOSED Churchill's nomination, but when Chamberlain said he supported Churchill as Prime Minster the Conservative Party voted with their leader, which remain Chamberlain till in died in November 1940.

Please note, Churchill FIRST election as Prime Minster was in 1945, which Churchill LOST by more then 194 seats. Churchill lost again in 1950, but by only 33 seats but also by 1.7 million votes out of 28 million votes casted. Churchill did lead the Conservatives to Victory in 1951, but it was a case where the Conservatives won more seats, but the Labour ended up with over 200,000 more votes. Thus Churchill, when he was head of the Conservative party NEVER received more votes then Labour, the Conservatives managed to win more seats but NOT more votes.

Churchill has always been more popular in the US, then he was in Britain, but that is a problem with many foreign politicians.

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I am sure albino65 Jul 2014 #1
Wait, didnt germany and russia try similar deals a few decades ago? cstanleytech Jul 2014 #2
I see you have read the comments under the article reorg Jul 2014 #3
How is this not like the Sudetenland/Czech land-for-peace deal closeupready Jul 2014 #5
those pushing for war are not the Russians reorg Jul 2014 #7
deep sea port in Sudetenland? KatyMan Jul 2014 #65
You do realize that Russia is the one who took Crimea and is making the Ukranian civil war possible? Adrahil Jul 2014 #66
because Russia is on the defensive Enrique Jul 2014 #55
I suggest some new glasses then because I didnt read the comments under it at all. nt cstanleytech Jul 2014 #47
Well, Germany attacked Poland, started WWII, and a few days later, the Soviet Union did so amandabeech Jul 2014 #11
neville chamberlain would be proud dembotoz Jul 2014 #4
The Man who Declared War on Germany and that was Neville Chamberlain. happyslug Jul 2014 #10
+1. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #15
happyslug Diclotican Jul 2014 #24
In 1936 Hitler had been told the French could drive him out of the Rhineland happyslug Jul 2014 #36
Great stuff! :) nt Javaman Jul 2014 #63
Well, that will freak some people out. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #6
Well, count me as one of the freaked out. amandabeech Jul 2014 #12
I don't think I believe it, yet, it smells of wishful thinking. bemildred Jul 2014 #14
I've canvassed the British papers, the Post, the NYT and Der Speigel (English) amandabeech Jul 2014 #16
well, it's probably reliable then reorg Jul 2014 #25
no place for "divvying-up" - hilarious reorg Jul 2014 #23
I could not agree with you less, amandabeech Jul 2014 #27
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #8
Are you flat out accusing Obama of being willing to assassinate these two? Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2014 #29
DU is sadly turning into an anti-American, anti-Democrat site. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #30
Haven't been here in a long time. Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2014 #34
"Boy" Is that really what you want to call the president? Nt hack89 Jul 2014 #31
He's not an adult like Merkel and Putin are. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #32
He is black. Ponder that. Nt hack89 Jul 2014 #33
Is the West (US) involved in this in ANY way? It ballyhoo Jul 2014 #9
Sounds pretty good to whom? Ukraine? amandabeech Jul 2014 #13
Crimea is now part of Russia. Russia ballyhoo Jul 2014 #17
Says Russia who invaded breaking just about every international law that applies. amandabeech Jul 2014 #18
There was a vote. Maybe you were gone for that. 96.8 % ballyhoo Jul 2014 #19
You've got to be kidding. amandabeech Jul 2014 #21
96.8% huh? Scootaloo Jul 2014 #38
IDK about that! After all, ice cream is so yummy! freshwest Jul 2014 #44
LOL, you must think North Koreans really vote 100% for their existing Parliament every time! NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #39
Of course they do! It's a landslide every time, I tell you! A landslide! Or a mudslide... nt freshwest Jul 2014 #43
Actually...I think they do. Xolodno Jul 2014 #49
the precedent was set by NATO reorg Jul 2014 #26
What troubles do you see for this going through? ballyhoo Jul 2014 #28
it would appear to me reorg Jul 2014 #48
I think exactly the same, with the push that direction by the West. Thanks. ballyhoo Jul 2014 #60
What treaty can you cite giving Crimea to Russia? NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #37
So Merkel is a Politician who learned the lesson Stalin taught Hitler in WWII happyslug Jul 2014 #20
Merkel is one smart lady. ballyhoo Jul 2014 #22
The Germans miscalculated by dumping nuclear power. joshcryer Jul 2014 #41
Merkel might agree with you here reorg Jul 2014 #50
I think you touched on something important there... Xolodno Jul 2014 #52
I don't like natural gas as a bridge energy source. joshcryer Jul 2014 #53
"Secret Deal to End Ukraine Crisis" (if this rumor is true), could stop the fighting in Ukraine JDPriestly Jul 2014 #35
It's an old Soviet base--probably used by the Czars, too. amandabeech Jul 2014 #40
Why would anyone believe this? BenFranklin99 Jul 2014 #42
It was reported elsewhere before reorg Jul 2014 #46
I believe it Enrique Jul 2014 #56
And some were wondering why we have Germany under US surveillance Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #45
Not surprised. Xolodno Jul 2014 #51
Russia won't keep its part of the agreement kiranon Jul 2014 #54
that's what people said about the Syria deal Enrique Jul 2014 #57
That's so nice they are making decisions for another country davidpdx Jul 2014 #58
proposing peace talks is "making decisions for another country"? reorg Jul 2014 #59
Yes, post about Nuland and her cookies davidpdx Jul 2014 #61
I think you are not up to date regarding who reorg Jul 2014 #62
In before jamzrockz Jul 2014 #64
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