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Comrade Grumpy

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36. Juan Cole: "As Israelis Press Obama on Iran, Let's Remember They Urged Iraq War, Too"
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 02:46 PM
Aug 2014

You were saying?

http://www.juancole.com/2013/03/israelis-remember-urged.html

The Israeli leadership, including Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, will attempt to strong-arm President Barack Obama, during his visit to Israel, into attacking Iran. (In part this noise about Iran is to deflect attention from the vast Israeli land grab in the Palestinian West Bank). It is now often forgotten, and even denied, that the then Israeli leadership was also a huge cheering section for the disastrous Iraq War. Netanyahu in particular wrote a Wall Street Journal op-ed in late 2002 entitled “The Case for Toppling Saddam.” The Israeli officials of the time were unanimous that Saddam Hussein was within months of having a nuclear weapon (Iraq’s nuclear enrichment program was mothballed in 1991).

President Obama should keep in mind, while in Israel, these passages from John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt’s Israel Lobby:

“On August 16, 2002, eleven days before Vice President Cheney kicked off the campaign for war with a hard‐line speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the Washington Post reported that “Israel is urging U.S. officials not to delay a military strike against Iraq’s Saddam Hussein.140 By this point, according to Sharon, strategic coordination between Israel and the U.S. had reached “unprecedented dimensions,” and Israeli intelligence officials had given Washington a variety of alarming reports about Iraq’s WMD programs.141 As one retired Israeli general later put it, “Israeli intelligence was a full partner to the picture presented by American and British intelligence regarding Iraq’s non‐conventional capabilities.”142

Israeli leaders were deeply distressed when President Bush decided to seek U.N. Security Council authorization for war in September, and even more worried when Saddam agreed to let U.N. inspectors back into Iraq, because these developments seemed to reduce the likelihood of war. Foreign Minister Shimon Peres told reporters in September 2002 that “the campaign against Saddam Hussein is a must. Inspections and inspectors are good for decent people, but dishonest people can overcome easily inspections and inspectors.”143

At the same time, former Prime Minister Ehud Barak wrote a New York Times op‐ed warning that “the greatest risk now lies in inaction.”144 His predecessor, Benjamin Netanyahu, published a similar piece in the Wall Street Journal entitled “The Case for Toppling Saddam.”>145 Netanyahu declared, “Today nothing less than dismantling his regime will do,” adding that “I believe I speak for the overwhelming majority of Israelis in supporting a pre‐emptive strike against Saddam’s regime.” Or as Ha’aretz reported in February 2003: “The [Israeli] military and political leadership yearns for war in Iraq.”146 But as Netanyahu suggests, the desire for war was not confined to Israel’s leaders. Apart from Kuwait, which Saddam conquered in 1990, Israel was the only country in the world where both the politicians and the public enthusiastically favored war.147 As journalist Gideon Levy observed at the time, “Israel is the only country in the West whose leaders support the war unreservedly and where no alternative opinion is voiced.”148 In fact, Israelis were so gung‐ho for war that their allies in America told them to damp down their hawkish rhetoric, lest it look like the war was for Israel.

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Many more foot-noted sources at the link.

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It's ok, everybody else is doing it notadmblnd Aug 2014 #1
Plus they hate Israel too. Turbineguy Aug 2014 #7
I don't think that is true, but you know this how....? I asked the question earlier, I'll ask you notadmblnd Aug 2014 #8
they appear to hate everyone G_j Aug 2014 #14
I don't. But even if it were true, why? notadmblnd Aug 2014 #15
I have no idea what you are talking about G_j Aug 2014 #18
uh huh. notadmblnd Aug 2014 #19
what is your problem? G_j Aug 2014 #20
I think you should re read the thread. It was you that initiated discussion with me by notadmblnd Aug 2014 #21
Why would you think they DIDN'T? Look at how they treat other Muslims! 7962 Aug 2014 #23
Answering a question with another question is not an answer. notadmblnd Aug 2014 #25
Not "a large portion of the world", ISIS. It stands to reason they would hate Israel. 7962 Aug 2014 #35
I should have phrased it better Turbineguy Aug 2014 #39
What a nightmare! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #2
Disgusting. But that seems to be the norm these days. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #3
the joys of religion have no end nt msongs Aug 2014 #4
ISIS is on a tear, and nobody seems to care. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #5
There's no Israel to demonize here so these dead children will never get riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #12
What ? You want Israel to "handle this"? Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #43
They are even more on a tear. endless murderering Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #44
They wont stop until they're stopped by force. They want an Islamic world rule. 7962 Aug 2014 #6
Well, when their navy is offshore and prepared to make an amphibious landing tabasco Aug 2014 #17
So to hell with everyone else, lets just wait till they're HERE. 7962 Aug 2014 #22
Yep, enough of this policeman of the world shit tabasco Aug 2014 #27
Horrible. ISIS are an absolute nightmare. LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #9
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #10
Iraqi Yazidis stranded on isolated mountaintop begin to die of thirst jakeXT Aug 2014 #11
Who are the people that thought it was a good idea to overthrow Saddam's secular government? cpwm17 Aug 2014 #13
They create the monsters, then cry because they perceive themselves to be victims of them notadmblnd Aug 2014 #16
So let me get this straight... MrBig Aug 2014 #26
My reply was to post #13 notadmblnd Aug 2014 #29
So Israel and its supporters caused this too? MrBig Aug 2014 #24
It is not in US interests to overthrow Assad cpwm17 Aug 2014 #30
Oh, by the way MrBig Aug 2014 #28
So, just what were those other issues? notadmblnd Aug 2014 #31
Nope, nothing with Iran MrBig Aug 2014 #33
Iraq was a relatively minor concern to Israel itself cpwm17 Aug 2014 #32
Juan Cole: "As Israelis Press Obama on Iran, Let's Remember They Urged Iraq War, Too" Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #36
How did Netanyahu's attemps to stronghand Obama into attacking Iran go? oberliner Aug 2014 #41
Thankfully, Obama stood up to Israeli pressure on that occasion. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #45
I see now you're a conspiracy theorist MrBig Aug 2014 #34
No I am not cpwm17 Aug 2014 #37
Yeah, you probably shouldn't have bothered, but not for the reason you give. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #38
Wow - the same Juan Cole articles makes two appearances on this thread oberliner Aug 2014 #42
He seemed to need a double dose. n/t Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #46
trying to get rid of Assad, is a mistake...nt quadrature Aug 2014 #40
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