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SpankMe

(3,758 posts)
16. This will be the outcome every time a black guy is killed by a cop.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 12:42 PM
Sep 2014

Those of us interested in real justice will have to resign ourselves to that reality - that cops always get to hide behind their authority - and win - when they need to get away with murder. Not that deadly force isn't necessary in some cases. But, these recent events don't pass the smell test to me.

The plan of attack on this should be to change police procedures regarding the rules of engagement nationwide. Civilian oversight, if not outright civilian control, of police departments is the way to go. These citizen committees or commissions should be elected bodies - or appointees vetted and approved by the city council - who actually write the manuals and procedures to follow when police face a threatening individual.

If the assailant has only a knife or club and is more than, say, 25-feet away from you, then you may not shoot to kill...procedural rules or guidelines like that.

Police are given too much discretion to judge how much of a threat to them an assailant is. Lately, it seems to me that if it's a white guy with a knife, the cops will physically wrestle him to the ground and cuff him. But, if it's a black guy - with not even a weapon in sight - they shoot to kill saying they "felt threatened" and that they were allowed to shoot per the current procedures.

The cops come up with some BS about some past event where the assailant didn't appear to have a weapon and when the cop tried to use non-lethal force to subdue him, the assailant suddenly produced a weapon out of nowhere and killed the cop. So, now, the cops are using those types of past events to justify killing assailants preemptively because "you just don't know what he (the assailant) has hidden on his person".

Cops don't take risks today like they used to in order to take assailants alive - they don't even want to get their uniforms dirty nowadays. I'm beginning to question whether present day cops deserve all of the reverence for "putting their lives on the line" for us. Many of not most really do put their lives on the line. But these "excursions" from that rubric are expanding vastly and are shaking my faith in the police.

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What the FU*k! FarPoint Sep 2014 #1
NO SHIT what the fuck bigdarryl Sep 2014 #12
My sentiments exactly!! What the F*CK! FourScore Sep 2014 #14
I live in Dayton Ohio... FarPoint Sep 2014 #27
I was born and raised in Dayton upaloopa Sep 2014 #29
Every thing surrounds foxx news 24/7 FarPoint Sep 2014 #43
My cousin's husband looked over at my wife and I upaloopa Sep 2014 #65
He is on Medicare, which is a DEMOCRATIC program, what's his problem again? still_one Sep 2014 #108
I lived in Xenia for a time. Quackers Sep 2014 #48
Your not missing much.. FarPoint Sep 2014 #50
Did you live in Xenia when the tornado leveled it? upaloopa Sep 2014 #116
We African Americans are partly to blame to because bigdarryl Sep 2014 #17
You are so right...but busterbrown Sep 2014 #23
Where's the Justice Department? Scuba Sep 2014 #2
They are bound to wait for the local process to play out. nt BumRushDaShow Sep 2014 #4
No they aren't. former9thward Sep 2014 #41
Yes they are BumRushDaShow Sep 2014 #47
You are aware they are investigating in Ferguson are you not? former9thward Sep 2014 #55
You are aware that Ferguson erupted into weeks of melee BumRushDaShow Sep 2014 #63
Ahhh, so you make it up as you go along. former9thward Sep 2014 #107
I provided links BumRushDaShow Sep 2014 #109
Maybe you should learn some civics. former9thward Sep 2014 #110
Ahhh.. BumRushDaShow Sep 2014 #111
Who is the co-poster? former9thward Sep 2014 #112
You will never be able to understand. nt BumRushDaShow Sep 2014 #113
Justice is an unrealistic expectation if black or not white FarPoint Sep 2014 #5
According to this article . . . markpkessinger Sep 2014 #75
Saw that. Good news. Scuba Sep 2014 #77
This won't go well. nt BumRushDaShow Sep 2014 #3
just wait till the ferguson cop gets off. Garion_55 Sep 2014 #22
Maybe it can motivate people to get out and vote for LOCAL politicians that will represent them. nt BumRushDaShow Sep 2014 #52
Wal-mart needs warning signs in the toy department- Pick Up Toy Guns and you risk death by police. Sunlei Sep 2014 #6
*especially if you're black* cyberswede Sep 2014 #35
Agreed. Let's print 'em up & stick 'em up in every Wal-Mart nationwide! CaptainTruth Sep 2014 #53
*In general*, it's extremely difficult to obtain an indictment against a L.E.O. ... ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #7
This has been said by other members on the Board n/t mrdmk Sep 2014 #69
Fucking outrageous! Laurian Sep 2014 #8
Local link: Gemini Cat Sep 2014 #9
As usual. malthaussen Sep 2014 #10
Sky blue, water wet SwankyXomb Sep 2014 #11
Nothing on Huffington Post yet bigdarryl Sep 2014 #13
We need to be very afraid and not of ISIS - this grand jury just declared open season on all of us jwirr Sep 2014 #15
This will be the outcome every time a black guy is killed by a cop. SpankMe Sep 2014 #16
No I beg to differ. imthevicar Sep 2014 #20
MORE... Garion_55 Sep 2014 #18
I once read that, imthevicar Sep 2014 #21
Only if they want the indictment. Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #58
Murder by proxy. GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #33
I think the term these days is called SWATing. FarPoint Sep 2014 #59
"the officers did what they were trained to do to protect the public" CaptainTruth Sep 2014 #56
It's all in how you present the case CanonRay Sep 2014 #19
+1 Baitball Blogger Sep 2014 #25
Yup. Hissyspit Sep 2014 #26
It really makes you nostalgic for the good old days of dogs and water hoses. gordianot Sep 2014 #24
There need to be protests and pressure for the Justice Department to intervene. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2014 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author damnedifIknow Sep 2014 #30
Unfortunately, TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author DoBotherMe Sep 2014 #42
You pick a very weird time to blame the victim Kalidurga Sep 2014 #54
I'm not blaming the victim. I am commenting on this statement: TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #87
Just for your info.... BronxBoy Sep 2014 #82
Did he recant before or after Mr. Crawford was shot? TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #83
After....... BronxBoy Sep 2014 #85
Yes. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #88
And people wonder why "waiting for due process" rings so hollow n2doc Sep 2014 #31
This particular prosecutor also fucked up two oher police-involved shootings.... msanthrope Sep 2014 #32
Open carry state exboyfil Sep 2014 #34
Where is the NRA???? CaptainTruth Sep 2014 #61
Yet another predator cop walk among us... TRoN33 Sep 2014 #36
I'm not surprised. And that bothers me greatly. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #37
Maybe, I no longer understand the English language; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #38
Yeah, I don't get this at all TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #40
Maybe, we're forgetting the "white exemption clause" ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #76
True. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #89
Yep.......n/t BronxBoy Sep 2014 #104
Stuff like this only happens on days that end in a 'y'. KamaAina Sep 2014 #44
Surprise, surprise LeeM Sep 2014 #45
I guess the prosecution submitted a bologna sandwich and not a ham sandwich FlatStanley Sep 2014 #46
Ooooh--Nice line. Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #68
Thank you, and use it at will! FlatStanley Sep 2014 #70
I will, if Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #71
Haha. Well played! FlatStanley Sep 2014 #72
Seeing on Reid Report , DOJ coming in now. irisblue Sep 2014 #49
There is a simple solution. ncjustice80 Sep 2014 #51
It works for England. CaptainTruth Sep 2014 #62
ALL police shootings should be criminally prosecuted. ncjustice80 Sep 2014 #66
Almost Never Happens erpowers Sep 2014 #57
Oh! surprise,surprise heaven05 Sep 2014 #60
He is looking towards a freaking shelf exboyfil Sep 2014 #64
Tox reports indicate Ward was on pot B2G Sep 2014 #67
No shit. Funny how that tox report shows up every time. Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #73
What did the..... BronxBoy Sep 2014 #78
so...........he deserved to be shot heaven05 Sep 2014 #79
Sorry, wrong thread B2G Sep 2014 #115
Watching the surveillance video, there is no way to tell if that is a toy gun or a real one. FLPanhandle Sep 2014 #74
"how fast they shot" heaven05 Sep 2014 #80
Yes but they can claim it was because they thought he was armed FLPanhandle Sep 2014 #81
How come NONE of BronxBoy Sep 2014 #86
Understand that I'm not defending the police here FLPanhandle Sep 2014 #90
Of course it's possible to say...... BronxBoy Sep 2014 #92
I'm "caught up" on the failed indictment because that was what the story was about. FLPanhandle Sep 2014 #94
BS!!!! heaven05 Sep 2014 #97
did I say the body count was the same? FLPanhandle Sep 2014 #101
So let's see..... BronxBoy Sep 2014 #99
You are putting words in my mouth. FLPanhandle Sep 2014 #103
Maybe you didn't choose your words correctly..... BronxBoy Sep 2014 #106
you are serious I guess heaven05 Sep 2014 #93
You don't know that. FLPanhandle Sep 2014 #96
Yes I do heaven05 Sep 2014 #100
There have been plenty of pictures and video.... BronxBoy Sep 2014 #84
I think because the police had a call in and rushed into the store looking for a potential shooter. FLPanhandle Sep 2014 #91
what BS heaven05 Sep 2014 #95
Would they have just talked if it was a White person???? BronxBoy Sep 2014 #98
+10000 heaven05 Sep 2014 #102
Cops ...murderers ...what's the difference. L0oniX Sep 2014 #105
This man was executed for walking around Walmart carrying their merchandise. Vinca Sep 2014 #114
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