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freshwest

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65. Still talking in your context in the present time. Do you grant them the right to mistrust us?
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 10:10 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Sat Sep 27, 2014, 12:45 PM - Edit history (1)

I say that is their right, but killing the aid workers was not their right. If this guy is part of that, it makes him culpable for their deaths, but not legally.

We have people in this country who are listening to people with the freedom of speech here who will not go to a doctor, period. And people who are almost driven to death with fear of vaccines, food, water and chemtrails. We are not so different than them, and the people selling this to the American people are making money, in fact are no doubt saying Africans are being given Ebola by us.

Fearmongering has become a mainstream media industry. I'm not going to get too excited over this one guy. He's not the only source of this. Here's an African one:

Nigeria: Patrick Sawyer, Ebola and the 'Illuminati' Connection


http://allafrica.com/stories/201408250977.html

American source, quoted on a Philadelphia website, that will scare Americans:

Conspiracy Theorist Joins Dick Morris And Gary R’Nel And Shares Views On Ebola Outbreak, Claims It Could Be Airborne

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/08/06/conspiracy-theorist-joins-dick-morris-and-gary-rnel-and-shares-views-on-ebola-outbreak-claims-it-could-be-airborne/

THAT is from CBS! And from the king of CT:

So the People of Sierra Leone Believe the Ebola Outbreak Is a “Government Conspiracy,” Do They…

http://www.prisonplanet.com/so-the-people-of-sierra-leone-believe-the-ebola-outbreak-is-a-government-conspiracy-do-they.html

These American sources tell people we're being given cancer when we get a flu shot!

From the UK, stories of two women in hospitals, one in London and another in NYC, and the problem convincing Africans to get treatment:

...Deep fear among patients and their families saw some trying to escape hospital, he said.

'Ebola is a new disease in Sierra Leone and when the first cases emerged, many people thought it might be a government conspiracy to undermine certain tribal groups, steal organs or get money from international donors.'

This links to widely held scepticism about Western medicine and traditional beliefs and practices.

'Relatives don't get to see what happens to patients when they are isolated, so some expressed fears that they were being taken away to be killed by doctors...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2715647/Whats-shocking-Ebola-patients-look-die-British-doctor-working-Sierra-Leone-describes-horror-deadly-disease.html#ixzz3ETZUnnfo

At worst, he's indulging his own theories, based on his degrees and whatever else is going on inside his head. I wish that he was not saying this, but he can't be stopped, no matter how mad it makes us. I would like him to be stopped, seveneyes.

It's legal, just as Infowars cheering on the cop killers in Nevada. Just as Fox was cheering on Bundy.

I am simply suggesting to you that he may believe what he says and so do many Africans. Some of them claim that AIDS is from WHO vaccine. We can't talk to them directly.

Even if you don't care for the links here, please take a moment to read the details of how Obama has sent 3,000 personnel to Nigeria for the good:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110225557

Please don't take it out on me because you are upset at what this man is doing. I don't feel he has the right... but he does. It's like this question on another issue:



The interpretation of courts on the Constitutional right of media and others to lie in elections or in any other way, makes this possible. A lot of people are going to get hurt. From the UK piece, the sufferers look normal until the end. That is very deceptive.

To be extra clear, I don't approve of what this guy is doing, but the law and the school says he can. Do you have a solution, a way to get this guy to stop this?

The only think I can think of is to discredit him in the media scientifically, to have experts convince him to make him rethink what he is doing.

EOM.


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They shouldn't limit his speech, they should fire him because he's crazy. Shrike47 Sep 2014 #1
And what are your qualifications for making this judgment? candelista Sep 2014 #21
It's crazy because his opinion has zero evidence. alp227 Sep 2014 #33
Being alive as a human for many decades yes the guy is a nut snooper2 Sep 2014 #36
Seriously? Bragi Sep 2014 #43
Because Ebola has been around for centuries Aerows Sep 2014 #41
SCIENCE!!!!!!!!!! SkyDaddy7 Sep 2014 #71
FWIW, those two nutbar professors in Fla. who swore up and down Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #56
Good decision Bragi Sep 2014 #2
Try yelling fire in a crowded building seveneyes Sep 2014 #4
Funny you should make that point Bragi Sep 2014 #5
How is it like that? Will there be an immediate "stampede"? candelista Sep 2014 #24
Several died from ignorant attacks while trying to help curb Ebola in Africa seveneyes Sep 2014 #28
Really? Bragi Sep 2014 #47
Yes, really seveneyes Sep 2014 #50
That may be why; and terrible; but Africans, AA's, and POC have a history of suffering from being freshwest Sep 2014 #63
Western or American 'help' seveneyes Sep 2014 #64
Still talking in your context in the present time. Do you grant them the right to mistrust us? freshwest Sep 2014 #65
Thank you for the information seveneyes Sep 2014 #67
Stupid ass article tabasco Sep 2014 #3
Academic free speech is different. Bragi Sep 2014 #6
It's not his area of expertise. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #37
No-one will die from his bs Bragi Sep 2014 #42
He is spreading this lie in Liberia! TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #53
You obviously haven't been paying any attention to what's currently going on in Liberia. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #60
I'm following events Bragi Sep 2014 #68
His views were published in Liberia, where disinformation like this causes real harm. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #72
In response Bragi Sep 2014 #73
and just whom to you think runs Delaware State University dsc Sep 2014 #9
Delaware State University is a public university jeff47 Sep 2014 #10
Doesn't matter. candelista Sep 2014 #25
That's nice. But the person I replied to was railing against jeff47 Sep 2014 #31
Doesn't that professor know we're too busy creating and maintaining ISIS? Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #7
How do you know it's false? candelista Sep 2014 #27
Because I don't believe him. It makes no sense. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #30
Why don't you believe him? Why does it "make no sense"? candelista Sep 2014 #34
No, fuck that. I don't have to prove a negative. The onus is on him for proof. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #35
Article from the Washington Post delete_bush Sep 2014 #38
The murders of medical teams in Liberia will be on his head mainer Sep 2014 #8
Not just that - he's also killing the children who now will not get vaccinated. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2014 #11
There's no vaccine available. n/t ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #15
Vaccinated for every other disease. jeff47 Sep 2014 #19
Thanks for clarifying. n/t ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #26
THis person will get aid workers killed MNBrewer Sep 2014 #12
This isn't a free speech issue - professor has gone kiranon Sep 2014 #18
This is very close to shouting "fire" in a crowded theater MNBrewer Sep 2014 #20
It is nothing like it. candelista Sep 2014 #29
Scott Lively was sued christx30 Sep 2014 #61
In what way is it "nothing like it"? MNBrewer Sep 2014 #62
In a peer review if his statements are shown to be false exboyfil Sep 2014 #13
No. candelista Sep 2014 #32
Not his area of expertise, it's his personal opinion. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #40
Professors have the right of free speech, just like everyone else. candelista Sep 2014 #55
Try harder. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #59
Agreed! nt Bragi Sep 2014 #44
It makes you wonder what kind of crazy nonsense he's teaching his students XemaSab Sep 2014 #14
Interesting that Liberia publishes "wildly speculative" information as news Dopers_Greed Sep 2014 #16
DSU saying we don't want your tuition money, rational students apply elsewhere. nt TeamPooka Sep 2014 #17
The University of Illinois rescinded a job offer because of what the candidate said KamaAina Sep 2014 #22
“A lot of people can have tenure at a university and then they’ll go out and commit mass murder,..." SansACause Sep 2014 #23
My estimate: approx. zero people will die Bragi Sep 2014 #45
You know people in Africa are murdering geek tragedy Sep 2014 #49
Eight people were murdered earlier this month in bordering Guinea SansACause Sep 2014 #52
Not all speech is protected. Bunch of dumbasses. n/t broadcaster75201 Sep 2014 #39
He has tenure and can say what he wants. nt Bragi Sep 2014 #46
That is simply not true. SansACause Sep 2014 #54
Tenure trumps public health and human safety? nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #48
Anything is possible..... the_sly_pig Sep 2014 #51
The university made the right decision. candelista Sep 2014 #57
Crankery != free speech. alp227 Sep 2014 #66
Expose lies, don't censor liars Bragi Sep 2014 #70
And what if the lie has been debunked 1000 times already? alp227 Sep 2014 #74
No matter, unfortunately. PorridgeGun Sep 2014 #75
Then keep debunking it Bragi Sep 2014 #76
I'm a lot more concerned about the spread of falsehoods. alp227 Sep 2014 #77
Yes indeed! nt Bragi Sep 2014 #69
Maybe the Ebola thing is a blessing? FrodosPet Sep 2014 #58
Universities should be places where free speech is protected. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2014 #78
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