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330. I'm in favor of self defense as much as anyone,

Fri Oct 17, 2014, 07:52 PM

Oct 2014

especially when it comes to women defending themselves against abusive men. But if you're firing a warning shot, you're not in fear for your life. You are trying to scare someone away. If you are truely scared and trying not to get killed, you aim for center body mass to end the threat against you. You aren't trying to kill someone, you are trying to end the threat. SYG just means that you are allowed to end the threat without fear of being prosecuted.

It's why Michael Dunn is serving life in jail for Jordan Davis' murder. Davis and his friends were leaving. Dunn shot at the back of their car. It doesn't matter that Dunn says he was scared that they might come back. They were leaving at the time. That was an incredibly bad shoot. SYG did not apply.

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COURT FINALLY OVERTURNS MARISSA ALEXANDER’S 20 YEAR SENTENCE. [View all] elleng Oct 2014 OP

Best news I've read all month, elleng! NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #1

I was very excited to see it, elleng Oct 2014 #2

Thank God billhicks76 Oct 2014 #70

I'm hoping to see her exonerated but this news was posted two weeks ago brush Oct 2014 #378

I fear you're right. I found this article that seems to cast doubt on her chances: NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #379

Good To Hear, Ma'am The Magistrate Oct 2014 #3

She not only should be convicted, she will be again. She shot at children msanthrope Oct 2014 #281

We Will Have To Disagree About This One, Ma'am The Magistrate Oct 2014 #284

I don't think you would have voted to acquit had you heard the testimony msanthrope Oct 2014 #286

Perhaps Not, Ma'am The Magistrate Oct 2014 #287

As I respect yours, Sir. It has been noted, elsewhere on this thread, msanthrope Oct 2014 #288

I'm glad to hear it..That was an outrage. n/t whathehell Oct 2014 #4

Thank you, ellen! Wow.. So Good! Cha Oct 2014 #5

Thank you, ellen! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #6

SYG only apply when there is a fatality Downwinder Oct 2014 #7

Apparently in South Carolina it doesn't apply to women csziggy Oct 2014 #13

I saw that this morning and I still must ask ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #89

I have the same question. nt. Tumbulu Oct 2014 #171

it sure sounds that way to me...... BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #183

Only if the shooter is white Jackpine Radical Oct 2014 #201

^THIS^ eom catrose Oct 2014 #133

She left the house, got a gun and went back in to confront her ex hack89 Oct 2014 #29

Is there a clause in SYG that says it does not apply to ongoing threats? DesertDiamond Oct 2014 #43

No. hack89 Oct 2014 #44

This kind of kills the entire purpose of the SYG law. ieoeja Oct 2014 #57

He didn't threaten her Travelman Oct 2014 #58

And she didn't shoot him. ieoeja Oct 2014 #60

That's why it's attempted murder instead of second-degree murder Travelman Oct 2014 #112

if you ever get to live your life as a woman, then get back to me. truedelphi Oct 2014 #166

exactly, nt Tumbulu Oct 2014 #174

THIS ^ THIS^ THIS^ BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #184

Damn right. nt Hekate Oct 2014 #227

In that case, please tell us how Travelman Oct 2014 #234

Again, if you ever live life inside a dwelling as a woman with an enraged partner truedelphi Oct 2014 #241

that's very nice Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #243

MY aren't we special? After all, inter galactic avengers are a dime a dozen, truedelphi Oct 2014 #323

I was not the one Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #326

Yeah Snow Leopard Oct 2014 #350

I certainly never said men are never victimized by women - truedelphi Oct 2014 #367

Please ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #95

"She claimed." Those claims were rejected. Travelman Oct 2014 #111

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #122

Gray recanted that statement Travelman Oct 2014 #140

So, you believe which of his statements? Tumbulu Oct 2014 #175

Not so much of what is believed here by members, GGJohn Oct 2014 #177

well we all know that these juries in Florida are so sensible.......sarcasm Tumbulu Oct 2014 #187

The facts didn't fit her version of the event, GGJohn Oct 2014 #189

That is typical in abusive situations, abusers manipulate everyone around them Tumbulu Oct 2014 #216

Here's the court document lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #132

I'm in favor of self defense as much as anyone, christx30 Oct 2014 #330

What???? He beat her up- he hit her Tumbulu Oct 2014 #173

Where is your evidence of this? Travelman Oct 2014 #228

what is your need to protect this violent man on DU? Tumbulu Oct 2014 #231

Oh please. Travelman Oct 2014 #233

You sound angry Ash_F Oct 2014 #240

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #248

Thank you Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #244

And you are getting so angry on DU, why? merrily Oct 2014 #285

Despite your silly claim, I'm not angry. Travelman Oct 2014 #290

And despite your rudeness and crudeness, I am neither silly nor telling lies about you. merrily Oct 2014 #292

Oh. So you have EVIDENCE that I get paid, then? Travelman Oct 2014 #293

Good lord. Read for comprehension, please. I was not accusing you of getting paid or of merrily Oct 2014 #294

Instead of attacking a fellow DU'er, why not address the issue at hand, GGJohn Oct 2014 #295

Have you read the posts of travelman on this thread? merrily Oct 2014 #296

Everyone gets alerted on, GGJohn Oct 2014 #297

Oh, please. Not everyone gets alerted on and not everyone posts the way he's been posting either. merrily Oct 2014 #299

I'll betcha everyone here on DU has been alerted on at least once, GGJohn Oct 2014 #300

.... merrily Oct 2014 #301

Am I wrong? GGJohn Oct 2014 #302

You've had many other replies. This is the last. Sorry to have disappointed you, merrily Oct 2014 #304

What bait? GGJohn Oct 2014 #305

Nice back-pedal Travelman Oct 2014 #298

No back pedal whatsoever. Amost anyone reading Reply 285 would get that I never accused you merrily Oct 2014 #303

Tumbulu, Where did these people on DU come from? truedelphi Oct 2014 #324

If he was violent in the past, then it has everything to do with this case Ash_F Oct 2014 #236

No. It. Does. Not. Travelman Oct 2014 #249

that's probably one of the more misogynist posts I've read throughout this debate. redruddyred Oct 2014 #353

SYG went away when she retreated to safety instead of "standing her ground" hack89 Oct 2014 #64

She had the right to come back. Once she came back, she had the right to stand her ground.n/t ieoeja Oct 2014 #69

No, she didn't. GGJohn Oct 2014 #73

Who's house was it? Ash_F Oct 2014 #237

Rico Gray's house Travelman Oct 2014 #250

Except she walked through the door and opened fire. That is not standing your ground. hack89 Oct 2014 #74

But you a neglecting to mention ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #99

Her kids and ex testified otherwise. hack89 Oct 2014 #101

Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #105

The police found the garage door perfectly servicable. Travelman Oct 2014 #115

Doesn't matter ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #130

What you're failing at is that she did retreat, GGJohn Oct 2014 #139

You can't just stop the timeline ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #156

The problem here being that she returned with a gun. GGJohn Oct 2014 #159

You do not understand the law do you ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #164

I understand the law quite well. GGJohn Oct 2014 #167

Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #170

Actually, it matters a whole lot Travelman Oct 2014 #142

See my response at #156. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #157

Her son confirmed it. Ash_F Oct 2014 #238

She claims he said that, but what did the kids say at trial, GGJohn Oct 2014 #102

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #107

Facts don't matter on the internet. /nt Ash_F Oct 2014 #239

I've noticed. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #246

the only 'fact' you're heaven05 Oct 2014 #267

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #96

And how did she get her car into the garage in the first place? Travelman Oct 2014 #118

She went into the garage, could not leave, and got her gun csziggy Oct 2014 #82

On her way to the garage to get her gun, GGJohn Oct 2014 #87

She went into the garage to get her truck csziggy Oct 2014 #109

well, she didn't heaven05 Oct 2014 #131

You can post all the little GGJohn Oct 2014 #134

Hey, anything you say heaven05 Oct 2014 #252

It's not me saying it's a lie, it's the police and jury, GGJohn Oct 2014 #254

Ohh the police and jury is inviolate, heaven05 Oct 2014 #260

You have a good one also. GGJohn Oct 2014 #261

She walked by the front door on the way to the garage hack89 Oct 2014 #90

Really? Are you making this up as you are going along? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #93

Her kids testified against her - they tell a different story. hack89 Oct 2014 #97

Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #104

ok. nt hack89 Oct 2014 #110

But it would be great if YOU ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #119

Here are the trial courts findings hack89 Oct 2014 #137

I suggest you read the entire Opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #154

That finding of facts regarding the SYG hearing will not change much hack89 Oct 2014 #158

Concurring Opinions are not binding. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #161

No kidding hack89 Oct 2014 #194

Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #200

oh so she did not suffer SERIOUS bodily injury Tumbulu Oct 2014 #178

it figures heaven05 Oct 2014 #253

Pot, meet kettle. GGJohn Oct 2014 #255

yes and heaven05 Oct 2014 #263

Good one. GGJohn Oct 2014 #264

I provided him with a link to the trial court finding of facts hack89 Oct 2014 #266

And he provided court findings also heaven05 Oct 2014 #268

Some how I doubt it will happen hack89 Oct 2014 #270

She claims she couldn't get the garage door open? GGJohn Oct 2014 #98

All of that is irrelevant ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #100

You are sooooooo wrong. GGJohn Oct 2014 #103

Well, maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #117

She cannot use SYG at trial. Already ruled on. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #120

Still trying to figure out why ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #136

She was engaged in unlawful activity at the time of the shooting, and msanthrope Oct 2014 #143

What was the unlawful activity? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #160

Walking back into a house and pointing a gun at three people, for starters. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #169

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #172

Which? nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #176

Sorry, I'm not very good at multi-tasking today ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #179

The Peterson ruling would stand, since it was made msanthrope Oct 2014 #181

Okay, I guess I'm off to find the trial court's ruling ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #202

Thank you for proving my point!!!! GGJohn Oct 2014 #123

Oh, my bad ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #141

Here. GGJohn Oct 2014 #147

First ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #163

Sounds like he let her in then wouldn't let her out. ieoeja Oct 2014 #121

HE did not let her in, GGJohn Oct 2014 #128

It doesn't apply to non-white folks ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #88

Good. Adsos Letter Oct 2014 #8

She turned down a lenient plea deal hack89 Oct 2014 #30

As she should have. She had ZERO legal requirement to run away. ieoeja Oct 2014 #59

She retreated to safety to get her gun. She went back to shoot him hack89 Oct 2014 #65

If she went back to shoot him, he would be dead. ieoeja Oct 2014 #72

If she ran into him the next day and there was no threatening, physical violence, GGJohn Oct 2014 #77

The bullet barely missed his head. It came really close to the kids too. hack89 Oct 2014 #79

Because you are taking all purpose out of the SYG laws. ieoeja Oct 2014 #85

Go look at the actual Florida law. You will be surprised what it actually says. hack89 Oct 2014 #92

This woman shot at children, and DU forgets that. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #153

NO she didn't. Period heaven05 Oct 2014 #257

She shot at her husband with the kids standing next to him. GGJohn Oct 2014 #258

Yes...that's what she was convicted of. And she will be convicted of, again. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #259

right heaven05 Oct 2014 #262

She's not a square peg....she's a criminal. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #278

The issue is that she did retreat. tammywammy Oct 2014 #66

If she had her gun with her the first time, she can stand her ground. ieoeja Oct 2014 #71

It would't matter if she had her gun the first time or not, GGJohn Oct 2014 #78

k&r. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Oct 2014 #9

K&R Solly Mack Oct 2014 #10

Old news illinoismike Oct 2014 #11

Link? mountain grammy Oct 2014 #12

Granted new trial on 9/26/2013 GGJohn Oct 2014 #14

Thanks illinoismike Oct 2014 #15

Thank you... mountain grammy Oct 2014 #38

It's about time. Unknown Beatle Oct 2014 #16

Her retrial begins Dec. 1 csziggy Oct 2014 #17

Thanks for the info. I posted the OP when I saw this on FB this evening: elleng Oct 2014 #18

I think they got bit by some date bug or something. csziggy Oct 2014 #19

Shit, just the thought of Angela Corey being a prosecutor makes me ill. GGJohn Oct 2014 #20

She is so smarmy csziggy Oct 2014 #21

Corey offered Alexander a lenient plea deal that was refused hack89 Oct 2014 #46

Yes, Yes. Yes. elleng Oct 2014 #22

So, over a year ago Iwillnevergiveup Oct 2014 #23

Stand Your Ground for a black person, a woman even? Holy cow. Is this all to get valerief Oct 2014 #24

It was not SYG hack89 Oct 2014 #33

How can it be SYG? This is why SYG exists. ieoeja Oct 2014 #61

But once she took the "opportunity to run away" by going into the garage hack89 Oct 2014 #67

Again, you apply the self defense standard. ieoeja Oct 2014 #76

SYG is a subset of self defense hack89 Oct 2014 #81

Of course he applies the self-defense standard. SYG does not apply here--the Florida courts have msanthrope Oct 2014 #113

But we were arguing whether it should. Ergo.... ieoeja Oct 2014 #125

Well, it should not, even under the broadest reading of SYG. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #129

If SYG never applies, what is the point of the law. ieoeja Oct 2014 #144

She was engaged in unlawful activity at the time of the shooting. SYG msanthrope Oct 2014 #145

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #205

This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Oct 2014 #207

Oh, so you think women liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #208

In the words of hack89, GGJohn Oct 2014 #211

Not stepping into the argument, but male according to hack89's profile. DRoseDARs Oct 2014 #212

Doh!!!! GGJohn Oct 2014 #226

She did leave. She went to the garage. tammywammy Oct 2014 #68

It doesn't mean you can't either. ieoeja Oct 2014 #75

No it wouldn't. GGJohn Oct 2014 #84

One quibble: "even meet the definition of self-defense, much less SYG." ieoeja Oct 2014 #91

Her life was not in Imminent danger when she walked away, GGJohn Oct 2014 #94

But not an encounter that you instigate, in someone else's house. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #124

What? Of course, SYG applies to an encounter you instigate. ieoeja Oct 2014 #135

I think you're missing a key piece of the stand YOUR GROUND laws. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #138

Gray, himself, said she tried, but could not open the garage. ieoeja Oct 2014 #146

Funny...the door opened to put her car in, and when the police tried it. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #149

He said that after she violated a court order to tamper with his testimony. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #152

No. It does not. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #148

does anyone else find this news terrifying? redruddyred Oct 2014 #25

She left the house, got a gun, and went back to confront her ex hack89 Oct 2014 #32

She got the gun to protect herself . . . brush Oct 2014 #37

She walked past the front door as she went into the garage to get her gun from her car hack89 Oct 2014 #40

I repeat . . . brush Oct 2014 #45

She had not been living with him for months before the shooting. hack89 Oct 2014 #47

empathy gene lacking. brush Oct 2014 #50

They were living apart. hack89 Oct 2014 #52

To get her stuff — empathy gene still lacking. . . brush Oct 2014 #53

And so she brought a gun to get her stuff? nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #127

I agree, why should she take 3 years for standing up to an abuser? redruddyred Oct 2014 #203

Yes it does, it says everything Tumbulu Oct 2014 #221

Brush, here is my small token of affection truedelphi Oct 2014 #325

Thanks, truedelphi. brush Oct 2014 #331

is it just me, or is this primarily in discussing women's rights topics? redruddyred Oct 2014 #332

I think you're seriously off topic here. nt brush Oct 2014 #335

just trying to show some support. redruddyred Oct 2014 #339

Don't bother. liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #206

In this case she was Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #213

she was charged with abusing him Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #327

I as a woman would not be want to be walking down the street kmlisle Oct 2014 #168

She hadn't live in the house for months hack89 Oct 2014 #198

you are absolutely right it doesn't make sense but its exactly what abused women do again and again kmlisle Oct 2014 #247

The reason she got 20 years was because of mandatory minimum sentencing hack89 Oct 2014 #265

Still this is part of a pattern in which the criminal justice system treats women and people of kmlisle Oct 2014 #272

But the evidence shows she was not defending herself hack89 Oct 2014 #273

She was not trying to defend herself at the time of this event. GGJohn Oct 2014 #274

well said Tumbulu Oct 2014 #222

You're not "protecting yourself" when you go looking for a target. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #108

Mostly because of the other facts in the case. Igel Oct 2014 #34

I am with you, nt Tumbulu Oct 2014 #180

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #391

It can drive a person wild considering the difference in treatment between Marissa Alexander's case Judi Lynn Oct 2014 #26

She left the house, got a gun, went back to confront her ex hack89 Oct 2014 #28

she may have been stupid, but that doesn't make her the principal aggressor. redruddyred Oct 2014 #204

She shot at his head - she barely missed hack89 Oct 2014 #209

can I have a source please. redruddyred Oct 2014 #210

see #197 Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #214

who is saying that it nearly missed his head? redruddyred Oct 2014 #333

It is called tha facts and pictures Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #334

again, no one was hurt. probably she was just trying to scare him. redruddyred Oct 2014 #338

She did something illegal involving a gun Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #340

he did something illegal involving his fists. redruddyred Oct 2014 #341

the cherges were dropped against him Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #342

that's right, she's an adult woman. redruddyred Oct 2014 #343

I think both are aggressors Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #344

you're arguing under the pretext that she was trying to kill him redruddyred Oct 2014 #345

and you do not know anything what is taught in CCL classes Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #346

so ccl classes tell you to shoot the person? redruddyred Oct 2014 #347

yes, as the absolute last resort Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #348

I think that's problematic. redruddyred Oct 2014 #349

she had domestic violence Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #351

"Females can also be the aggressor for domestic violence" redruddyred Oct 2014 #352

He wasn't beating on her that day, her life was NOT in imminent danger that day, GGJohn Oct 2014 #357

sounds more like a woman in severe distress redruddyred Oct 2014 #362

And you would be charged with murder. GGJohn Oct 2014 #366

except... she didn't shoot at his head. redruddyred Oct 2014 #370

Both parties need to be protected from violence Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #368

because the courts are sexist, the police are sexist. redruddyred Oct 2014 #369

Whatever, I disagree Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #373

I've heard that too, redruddyred Oct 2014 #374

yes every male is abusive Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #375

no, but some of them abuse their power. redruddyred Oct 2014 #376

Only if you don't understand the law or the actual details of the cases Lurks Often Oct 2014 #39

Finally! Chemisse Oct 2014 #27

Really, the most glaring example of injustice? hughee99 Oct 2014 #54

Florida has minimum mandatory sentences for gun crimes hack89 Oct 2014 #31

Doesn't matter. Igel Oct 2014 #35

I sure hope there's a better outcome this time. sinkingfeeling Oct 2014 #36

Hopefully the state will again offer a plea deal and she accepts it this time. hack89 Oct 2014 #41

why aren't you advocating him serving a minimum sentence for the serial abuse? Tumbulu Oct 2014 #224

Is your hair shirt tailor made? hack89 Oct 2014 #242

I remember that Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #245

There would be none of this if he was jailed for beating her Tumbulu Oct 2014 #308

You will get no argument from me. nt hack89 Oct 2014 #312

Occasionally the courts get it right. malthaussen Oct 2014 #42

It is likely the results will be the same hack89 Oct 2014 #48

I love the apologists on this thread. alarimer Oct 2014 #49

No one is defending the husband Lurks Often Oct 2014 #56

Oh yes you are Tumbulu Oct 2014 #307

She is getting jail time because she committed a felony Lurks Often Oct 2014 #316

if her husband had been in jail in the first place, none of this would have happened. redruddyred Oct 2014 #354

You go right on with your emotional outrage Lurks Often Oct 2014 #355

aka everything but marissa's own testimony. redruddyred Oct 2014 #356

If Marissa was in the process of being beaten, I would have applauded her for shooting him Lurks Often Oct 2014 #359

according to her testimony, she was. redruddyred Oct 2014 #360

From what I read, they couldn't get anybody to testify against him Lurks Often Oct 2014 #364

"I'll kill you bitch," wasn't imminent danger? redruddyred Oct 2014 #371

I'll say it again Lurks Often Oct 2014 #377

unless, as according to her own testimony, redruddyred Oct 2014 #380

I'd want to read the trial transcript for a definitive answer Lurks Often Oct 2014 #381

"because if you were you should have shot her attacker." redruddyred Oct 2014 #383

Neither of us were on the jury, so neither of us know ALL the facts Lurks Often Oct 2014 #386

"after 12 minutes of deliberation" redruddyred Oct 2014 #387

She was not living there, so your question isn't relevent to the case Lurks Often Oct 2014 #388

so clear cut that we've been debating it here for nearly two weeks? redruddyred Oct 2014 #389

We've been debating it for two weeks Lurks Often Oct 2014 #390

I wonder where that ad hominem came from. redruddyred Oct 2014 #392

That's your perception Lurks Often Oct 2014 #393

no, I've really made an effort to engage with you. redruddyred Oct 2014 #394

I don't necessarily disagree with you Lurks Often Oct 2014 #395

... redruddyred Oct 2014 #396

What we want to do and what we are allowed to do under the law Lurks Often Oct 2014 #397

"insufficient enough testimony and evidence" redruddyred Oct 2014 #398

Probably, but that's irrelevant to this incident. GGJohn Oct 2014 #358

no, it's really not. redruddyred Oct 2014 #361

The jury found her testimony completely unreliable, they took only 12 minutes to convict her. GGJohn Oct 2014 #363

I have no intention of ever holding a firearm, ever. redruddyred Oct 2014 #372

there should not be a new trial drray23 Oct 2014 #51

I agree, but I do think that she needs mental health help Tumbulu Oct 2014 #309

Seems lots of people don't want to beburdened with the actual facts Travelman Oct 2014 #55

DING DING DING! Travelman, you're our grand prize winner! rocktivity Oct 2014 #62

Their mind is made up based on whatever initial poor reporting they listened to. NOVA_Dem Oct 2014 #63

Agree, except... lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #150

WOW! DesMoinesDem Oct 2014 #80

Hopefully she's learned how dangerous a warning shot really is. ileus Oct 2014 #83

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet; but, ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #86

She's guilty of domestic violence, assault and attempted murder. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #106

Unless they again offer her a plea, GGJohn Oct 2014 #114

Yes, she is. She might get off due to trial publicity, but it's a long shot. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #116

You've lost it on this- are all women abusers? Tumbulu Oct 2014 #182

I thought he had a restrining order on her Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #185

She had a restraining order against him, GGJohn Oct 2014 #186

My bad, I thought there was one Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #188

On another post she had come to get her clothes Tumbulu Oct 2014 #191

He wasn't there when she came to get her clothes, GGJohn Oct 2014 #193

One week after giving birth one is dead tired and usually in bed Tumbulu Oct 2014 #220

The pretrial SYG ruling indicates that she had a restraining order against him. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #314

Oh and he let her in and cooked her breakfast- so why didn't he call the police when she arrived? Tumbulu Oct 2014 #190

You got your "facts" wrong. GGJohn Oct 2014 #192

So, why do you have such a need to defend a violent abusive man? Tumbulu Oct 2014 #217

you should be a witness at the new trial snooper2 Oct 2014 #337

She committed domestic abuse as well. NobodyHere Oct 2014 #384

oh when someone fights back it is called domestic violence? Tumbulu Oct 2014 #385

why did she break the restraining order? Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #196

Why wasn't a violent man in prison in the first place? Tumbulu Oct 2014 #218

She went to his place, Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #223

Apparently he was arrested multiple times Tumbulu Oct 2014 #225

You should probably educate yourself on this case before posting what you believe to be the "facts". GGJohn Oct 2014 #197

Thanks Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #199

I have read all of this and still do not Tumbulu Oct 2014 #219

So... you'd have killed him. Fair enough. What would you have done with the witnesses? n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #230

Yes, anybody attacking someone can and should be stopped Tumbulu Oct 2014 #232

and anyone who may have hurt someone years before too, apparently. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #235

You need to look inside yourself and examine Tumbulu Oct 2014 #306

No. I don't. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #313

florida justice heaven05 Oct 2014 #126

Please be careful visiting this site (BlackMediaScoop) intaglio Oct 2014 #151

I'm not familiar with any of those places, elleng Oct 2014 #155

As AVG and Google have it as safe, please leave the OP intaglio Oct 2014 #162

Thanks. Will do. elleng Oct 2014 #165

Really Happy To Hear This. ChiciB1 Oct 2014 #195

well, that is some good news. but the whole trial was a freaking obscenity, and would never niyad Oct 2014 #215

so terribly sadly true! Tumbulu Oct 2014 #310

Wow, another civil comment Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #315

she fired into the ceiling, if I recall correctly. niyad Oct 2014 #317

Not from the transcript Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #318

No, she fired at his head, narrowly missing him, the bullet traveled through the wall GGJohn Oct 2014 #319

Perhaps you'll consider it less of an obscenity once you familiarize yourself with the case... lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #321

Nice link thanks Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #322

I have not seen a worse case of deliberate disinformation since Crystal Mangum. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #229

It's really just staggering Travelman Oct 2014 #251

It's all about emotionalism to them, not the facts. GGJohn Oct 2014 #256

I believe NOTHING heaven05 Oct 2014 #269

No you're not correct. GGJohn Oct 2014 #271

sound like judge dredd heaven05 Oct 2014 #276

It doesn't matter what I sound like, GGJohn Oct 2014 #280

yes it does heaven05 Oct 2014 #282

I'm glad I'm out there also to counter emotionalism, GGJohn Oct 2014 #283

well, that wasn't the word meant heaven05 Oct 2014 #289

In the words of Joe Pesci in My Cousin Vinny, GGJohn Oct 2014 #291

But the abusive man broke the law numerous times and never went to jail Tumbulu Oct 2014 #311

Yet believe everything that the Huffington Post says. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2014 #275

No heaven05 Oct 2014 #279

Well written. I am appalled at her defense on this board. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #277

but, but, but but Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #320

Even if every bad thing written about her happens to be true, 20 years is still excessive. n/t nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #328

Agree, but unfortunetly, FL has those stupid mandatory sentencing laws GGJohn Oct 2014 #329

dumb white folks archaic56 Oct 2014 #336

WOW..thanks for sharing this good news! Stellar Oct 2014 #365

Good! Hopefully justice will be served this time. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #382