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(38 posts) Sun Oct 19, 2014, 04:32 PM Oct 2014

Germany says rebels used Ukranian missile to down MH17 passenger plane [View all]

Source: The Age

Germany's intelligence service believes Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by pro-Russian rebels using a missile taken from a Ukraine military base, a German newspaper has reported.

The finding contradicts previous claims – including by Prime Minister Tony Abbott and US Secretary of State John Kerry – that the missile was supplied by Russia.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/prorussian-rebels-using-seized-ukrainian-missile-downed-mh17-passenger-plane-says-germany-20141020-118i9u.html

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Germany says rebels used Ukranian missile to down MH17 passenger plane [View all] rootProbiscus Oct 2014 OP

It also contradicts the Nulandistas on DU n/t cosmicone Oct 2014 #1

And it contradicts the Putinistas who insist it the was Kiev government. NT Adrahil Oct 2014 #2

^^^^^ This! +1. n/t ColesCountyDem Oct 2014 #3

+1 PatrynXX Oct 2014 #4

+infinity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!nt newfie11 Oct 2014 #11

You just have to wait a bit ... first the weapon's origin comes out cosmicone Oct 2014 #13

Sometimes I think you must be having fun. Adrahil Oct 2014 #15

I do have a lot of fun here cosmicone Oct 2014 #16

Well, you seem so very sure that the West is always the bad guy and the the poor Adrahil Oct 2014 #19

It was Pres. Obama with a new CIA super duper secret remote GGJohn Oct 2014 #23

I never said CIA launched the missile did I? cosmicone Oct 2014 #29

Then why is your favorite source, rt sounding like the proverbial chicken with its head cut off? karynnj Oct 2014 #20

Because the other shoe is about to fall. cosmicone Oct 2014 #28

You believe this for what reason? karynnj Oct 2014 #45

You're a cartoon. nt Codeine Oct 2014 #21

Personal attacks reveal the bankruptcy of cognition. n/t cosmicone Oct 2014 #27

Are you a fortune cookie? Throd Oct 2014 #42

Nulandists???? If you mean people who support Obama, this does not really copntradict karynnj Oct 2014 #18

Ahhh...So It Was Ukranian After All billhicks76 Oct 2014 #5

The area of the launch is a pretty good indicator of who fired it. Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #6

There are no pro-western rebels. And the area of launch was from rebel-controlled territory. geek tragedy Oct 2014 #7

Uh So Says NSA/CIA billhicks76 Oct 2014 #9

+1 newfie11 Oct 2014 #12

You read too much Russian state propaganda. nt geek tragedy Oct 2014 #22

You Don't Know What You Are Talking About billhicks76 Oct 2014 #24

I Don't Even Know What Russian Media is? billhicks76 Oct 2014 #25

+1 n/t cosmicone Oct 2014 #17

That is not conclusive evidence. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #8

Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union CJCRANE Oct 2014 #10

And that leads to the obvious conclusion . . . Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #14

It was a Russian-made missile owned by the Ukrainian government. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #34

Go one step further karynnj Oct 2014 #47

I agree with your first point CJCRANE Oct 2014 #48

I agree - not to mention there is nothing that makes this intelligence report karynnj Oct 2014 #53

That Is An Excellent Analysis, Ma'am The Magistrate Oct 2014 #55

Well, now apparently the Ukrainian govt disagrees with the German report CJCRANE Oct 2014 #56

Ukraine is not changing its story - they never said it was one of theirs karynnj Oct 2014 #58

Another point: claims that the rebels shot down a military cargo plane that day at the same place muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #59

Makes sense to me karynnj Oct 2014 #60

That One, Sir, Went Smack Into The Memory Hole The Magistrate Oct 2014 #61

ah...So I was right all along... Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #26

Reading the replies to this thread.....fucking amazing..... Xolodno Oct 2014 #30

You Are Mis-Stating Facts, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2014 #31

Magistrate.... Xolodno Oct 2014 #32

Neither This Nor Your Following Comment, Sir, Addresses The Point At Hand The Magistrate Oct 2014 #36

This ignores that both Ukrainian parties had run on working for this EU relationship karynnj Oct 2014 #50

One more statement.... Xolodno Oct 2014 #33

"it was the Ukrainian Rebels with a captured missile (authenticating Russia's claim)" - no muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #38

The jury is still out on what the Ukrainian government and ATC knew CJCRANE Oct 2014 #35

None Of Which, Sir, Affects Who Pulled The Trigger The Magistrate Oct 2014 #37

True. But there is also the concept of negligence in the law. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #39

One Presumes You are Referring To 'Contributory Negligence', Sir The Magistrate Oct 2014 #40

It's a very clear cut legal concept. That's why the FAA halted flights to Israel CJCRANE Oct 2014 #41

Apples And Oranges, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2014 #43

They considered the area unsafe. The same as in the Ukraine CJCRANE Oct 2014 #44

And That Would Not Affect The Criminal Responsibility Of The Men Who Fired The Missile, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2014 #46

That's true. But the victims' relatives may still want to pursue action CJCRANE Oct 2014 #49

So You Admit It Has No Bearing On The Point At Hand, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2014 #51

I agree, I think that's the most likely scenario CJCRANE Oct 2014 #52

So You May Yet Resort To 'False Flag' Swill Then, Sir? The Magistrate Oct 2014 #54

Have you read the full 9/11 report? CJCRANE Oct 2014 #57

Most people here believed it was the pro-Russian rebels from the get-go. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2014 #62