Germany says rebels used Ukranian missile to down MH17 passenger plane

[Xolodno]

32. Magistrate....

...this is hard.....

Before I even became a registered member I had much respect for you, enjoyed your posts, thought of you very "wity", someone who had his head grounded to reality.....I've since then changed my view.

Sure..there were some nut jobs here saying it was a "false flag operation" and you will never find a post of me agreeing to that. But I have always agreed to the notion that it was Ukrainian Rebel troops who pulled the trigger.....even if under the training of Russia......and you have made no mention, that a Russian fired the missile was false... On the other hand...I don't believe the USA is an "angel"....knowledge and observation prevents me from doing so.

Yes, I do believe the USA got involved with Ukrainian politics and interfered (how can I not? being involved directly and indirectly of US "intentions"...fyi..I didn't list all of the US governments sins)....and nor do I believe it is that hard to do (Jack Abramoff was able to do so on a minimal budget...and Vladmir Lenin managed to usurp democracy...and here in the USA...Money = Politics)

Russia is a threat.....but not in traditional sense of military....Russia and other BRIC nations are a threat in the form of economics...denial is at your own peril...Capitalism has won.....good luck. The Cold War is over......and all the BRIC nations are taking advantage of this. The USA has lost at its own game...meanwhile...fruit loops of the "R" description continue to rig the game at everyone else's expense.

Ukraine could have been a bridge between east and west....instead, some one or group in the CIA thought they could take the nation and make it become a client state....much like Rumsfeld thought making Iraq a client state would be a good thing.....(and this is my own speculation.....I think the CIA learned from the Bay of Pigs....in that, giving a choice to a President is not in their interest...but giving a sitting President no choice but to act to their whims...was easier)

Ukraine is not going to become a member of NATO, it is just as likely that Mexico would become a member of the Warsaw Pact.

You are not taking the long view of this...hell....I wouldn't be surprised years from now that it is revealed that certain EU nations ignored the sanctions. Wash over me at will...you have the respect and support of the majority of DU...but I have never cared about "mob rule"......................So,........say what you will. It matters not to me at this point.