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115. So you think Mike Brown just willfully decided to dive head first into the window

Wed Oct 22, 2014, 04:07 PM

Oct 2014

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of Wilson's vehicle? That seems equally as preposterous if not more so than the alternate scenario you call preposterous.

Isn't it possible that Wilson told Brown to 'Come here, boy" (or some such) and Brown initially complied with Wilson's demand, found himself grabbed around the neck (Dorian Wilson's account) and pulled partway into Wilson's vehicle, upon wihich he sees Wilson has unholstered his weapon and is brandishing it in his face and tries to push it out of the way?

Aside from Wilson's allegation, I haven't seen one witness account that claims that Brown willingly stuck his head or hands inside Wilson's vehicle. Doing so might have made sense, non-Wilson witness accounts notwithstanding, had the tox screen showed crack, angel dust or meth. But it doesn't. So I am forced to conclude that Brown found himself trapped partly inside Wilson's vehicle with an entirely legitimate fear that Wilson was going to shoot him in the face.

And, by the way, how exactly did Wilson's firearm come to be unholstered?

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Official autopsy shows Michael Brown had close-range wound to his hand, marijuana in system [View all] Tommymac Oct 2014 OP

So what if he had marijuana in his system sakabatou Oct 2014 #1

Yep -- what does marijuana have to do with this murder? theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #50

Exactly. He was out of range where he could harm the cop, with hands up when executed peacebird Oct 2014 #56

Because it's the first time the tox screen has been released Travelman Oct 2014 #63

Ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation. theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #79

Who knows. Travelman Oct 2014 #87

Where did you get Wilson's height? jen63 Oct 2014 #93

I'll have to go back and see where I saw that. Travelman Oct 2014 #94

It would matter if the story jen63 Oct 2014 #97

Ah. I see your point. Travelman Oct 2014 #102

He's a big guy. jen63 Oct 2014 #104

I saw that looking for the other stuff from before Travelman Oct 2014 #106

It's also hard to tell if he's standing on something XemaSab Oct 2014 #192

So you think Mike Brown just willfully decided to dive head first into the window KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #115

I didn't say that. Travelman Oct 2014 #116

The story you're quoting from immedately above appears to be only 6 hours old, judging from KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #117

Where did you get that marym625 Oct 2014 #140

The 911 call was relayed over the radio by dispatch Recursion Oct 2014 #164

But it has nothing to do with the stop. bravenak Oct 2014 #165

Not even Wilson is claiming the initial stop was about the robbery Recursion Oct 2014 #168

Where is the report saying he heard this on the radio and responded? bravenak Oct 2014 #171

I don't think Wilson's report has been released, has it? Recursion Oct 2014 #173

Exactly. bravenak Oct 2014 #178

Except we do know when dispatch sent the call out over the radio Recursion Oct 2014 #179

But who is the anonymous source? bravenak Oct 2014 #185

Because the post I was replying to marym625 Oct 2014 #194

It was announced over dispatch Recursion Oct 2014 #213

Can you please link it? marym625 Oct 2014 #218

I am not sure this is a reply to me marym625 Oct 2014 #220

The police chief says the stop had nothing to do with robbery. bravenak Oct 2014 #167

exactly! n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #195

Erm... It was linked in the post you replied to Travelman Oct 2014 #190

And his Chief says it didn't happen marym625 Oct 2014 #196

No, again, his chief says the initial stop was not about the robbery Recursion Oct 2014 #214

Why do you keep saying I am bringing it up? marym625 Oct 2014 #221

I beg to differ marym625 Oct 2014 #128

Today's autopsy results don't say that. Travelman Oct 2014 #151

Please show where you have anything official that says the gun shoot wound could not have come from marym625 Oct 2014 #191

OK. Travelman Oct 2014 #205

You're not buying things we know to be true marym625 Oct 2014 #206

Just thought you might like to hear Melinek marym625 Oct 2014 #223

So, she pretty much corroborated everything that the Post-Dispatch said she said. Travelman Oct 2014 #247

WOW marym625 Oct 2014 #248

Actually, she DID say that Travelman Oct 2014 #249

She said that she can't make a determination marym625 Oct 2014 #250

I'm sorry but there is ZERO chance that someone onecaliberal Oct 2014 #208

Erm....who claimed that? Travelman Oct 2014 #212

The so called officer onecaliberal Oct 2014 #224

And you have a link to this claim? Travelman Oct 2014 #225

A cop couldnt win a fist fight with a child? Pathetic exscuse. There is no exscuse to shoot an innoc ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #209

A child? Travelman Oct 2014 #211

Wilson himself JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #236

Ah. I see. Travelman Oct 2014 #240

I didn't attack his appearance JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #244

agreed. So what if there are marijuana in his system. It does not mean he was a criminal samsingh Oct 2014 #77

You have some proof of this, I hope? MontBlanc Oct 2014 #88

not sure what you're asking - my point was that who cares if there was weed in his system samsingh Oct 2014 #98

Wow what a statement Scairp Oct 2014 #92

that totally explains the shots in his back noiretextatique Oct 2014 #96

agreed. samsingh Oct 2014 #101

Which shots in the back? XemaSab Oct 2014 #103

that's a load of crap. even if - and its a big if - i accept your premise - it samsingh Oct 2014 #99

It's six shots and yes it does Scairp Oct 2014 #107

given the bullshit racist crap i'm seeing out there i'm not holding my breath but samsingh Oct 2014 #109

Eyewitnesses Scairp Oct 2014 #119

So all these black people are liars??? BronxBoy Oct 2014 #123

his agenda is pretty clear. words are wasted on him. samsingh Oct 2014 #127

I know.... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #134

According to the Washington Post, seven or eight African-American witnesses branford Oct 2014 #133

That's not the point... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #139

My only point was that we haven't yet publicly heard from all the witnesses, branford Oct 2014 #149

And I know that..... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #153

I was commenting, in part, toyour initial post branford Oct 2014 #155

Like I said... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #156

That is completely uncalled for Scairp Oct 2014 #138

Tough Shit...... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #141

Back at you Scairp Oct 2014 #142

And we are entitled to make an opinion BronxBoy Oct 2014 #147

Your opinion was that all the witnesses were liars. bravenak Oct 2014 #150

it sounds like you'd rather believe a coward police officer who had to shoot 6 to 10 times samsingh Oct 2014 #125

You have your mind made up Scairp Oct 2014 #137

You really aren't interested in the truth with comments like this. kwassa Oct 2014 #201

It's not really a big conclusion to jump to, frankly Travelman Oct 2014 #222

Thank you Scairp Oct 2014 #235

He stole a box of cigars. Wow, the threat he posed to society. kwassa Oct 2014 #242

And the other felonies? Travelman Oct 2014 #243

What other felonies? you mean the ones falsely attributed to him by right-wing websites? kwassa Oct 2014 #245

No, I mean the ones that the court and his attorney have tacitly admitted to Travelman Oct 2014 #246

Brown still doesn't qualify as a thug. YOU mischaracterize him kwassa Oct 2014 #252

Nonsense. Travelman Oct 2014 #253

It is a lack of information. Until the felony info is provided, you project. kwassa Oct 2014 #254

OK, so what do YOU call Travelman Oct 2014 #255

A bully. kwassa Oct 2014 #256

Women I know, also a female, aren't non-progressive, hate-filled racists. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2014 #219

Awesome! Scairp Oct 2014 #234

"Thug"? That tells me all I need to know about you. Class Dismissed. Tommymac Oct 2014 #198

screw marijuana. doubt the entirity of the 'official' autopsy roguevalley Oct 2014 #120

Where is the toxicology on the officer? bravenak Oct 2014 #2

I'm really starting to detest the St. Louis Post Dispatch. Because the KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #4

I am super pissed too. bravenak Oct 2014 #7

That smug SOB McCulloch thinking he can game the system (by making it sound as though KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #10

The way they are playing it, I think they WANT a riot. bravenak Oct 2014 #13

Happened during the 60s or early 70s, IIRC. Angela Davis was charged and tried (and acquitted) KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #20

That is very interesting. bravenak Oct 2014 #26

This is disgusting marym625 Oct 2014 #47

A dozen witnesses to Darren Wilson's grand jury testimony. bravenak Oct 2014 #108

You mean Wilson, right? marym625 Oct 2014 #110

Yes. I mean Wilson was the attacker. I can see that I was not very clear there. bravenak Oct 2014 #113

a kid that was being harassed by the STLCPD marym625 Oct 2014 #118

Thank you. bravenak Oct 2014 #122

You're welcome marym625 Oct 2014 #130

I keep spreading all the evidence around. bravenak Oct 2014 #131

The trolls out there are relentless marym625 Oct 2014 #132

Why do they always go straight to the death threats? bravenak Oct 2014 #136

Unfortunately, most are seeing all the "leaked" marym625 Oct 2014 #143

Maybe my trolls like you more now?? bravenak Oct 2014 #145

nope. they sure don't like truth marym625 Oct 2014 #152

Good!!!! We need more like you!! bravenak Oct 2014 #154

Thank you marym625 Oct 2014 #158

That kid is a HERO n/t PorridgeGun Oct 2014 #207

wish there was a like button marym625 Oct 2014 #217

There is no excuse marym625 Oct 2014 #48

I live here in St. Louis, please don't encourage people to riot. Red State Rebel Oct 2014 #73

Well, geez, what would you have them do? Wait to be gunned down by your KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #83

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #90

I believe in peaceful demonstration, not violent riots that harm people and local business. Red State Rebel Oct 2014 #124

I believe in not letting young blacks be gunned down for nothing more than walking KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #129

According to this Wilson held Michael's arm and fired the first shot. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #188

That site is really good. bravenak Oct 2014 #197

One of my favorite sites.... sheshe2 Oct 2014 #199

I am going to stay calm and channel my anger into something useful. bravenak Oct 2014 #200

You can write it down as well my dear bravenak. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #202

I think she will win too. bravenak Oct 2014 #203

+1000 Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #85

It was in the autopsy report Scairp Oct 2014 #121

What possible bearing does it have on the matters at hand, other than to play into and further KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #126

I don't know if it has bearing Scairp Oct 2014 #237

Initial Statements billhicks76 Oct 2014 #9

That is the most frustrating part of this whole thing. bravenak Oct 2014 #11

Conspiracy Theory billhicks76 Oct 2014 #14

I hope not, goodness! bravenak Oct 2014 #18

Why, just recently, the Chicago PD officer Jon Burge was released from prison to a halfway KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #22

That is why I consider the cop defenders to be amazingly dull. bravenak Oct 2014 #28

My wife studies domestic violence in far more detail than I. She tells me that 40% of KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #30

I agree with everything your wife says. bravenak Oct 2014 #31

Idiots Rule billhicks76 Oct 2014 #44

and look at how many years it took to get him n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #49

I wasn't there, so I don't know, but I have this "feeling" that the cop MADem Oct 2014 #37

That makes much more sense than the department's version of the tale. bravenak Oct 2014 #38

Sounds reasonable brush Oct 2014 #59

agreed Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #35

I would like to see diagrams of murielm99 Oct 2014 #24

I agree. bravenak Oct 2014 #29

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #89

Where? His accomplices are not going to help prosecute their friend Taitertots Oct 2014 #95

Silly Rabbit.... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #144

And cops never lie. bravenak Oct 2014 #146

LOL..... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #148

Do Ferguson PD take a toxicology test after a shooting? I have no idea. Recursion Oct 2014 #170

Do any?????? BronxBoy Oct 2014 #176

God yes. Recursion Oct 2014 #177

If you say so.. BronxBoy Oct 2014 #182

Not sure I'd call it "funny" Recursion Oct 2014 #184

But they can smear those of their victims BronxBoy Oct 2014 #187

All we have is Wilson's word that there was a 'struggle for the gun'. It could just KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #3

That's what I think too. Sounds more like a defensive wound. BillZBubb Oct 2014 #5

Here's what a former federal prosecutor has to say about St. Louis County DA McCulloch's KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #6

It can be. My family was involved with a big story in the area and the PD logosoco Oct 2014 #53

Well, yes it could, but there is generally a presumption of innocence, no? Adrahil Oct 2014 #54

With all due respect, all that's at issue right now is whether enough KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #64

I'm undecided. Adrahil Oct 2014 #67

Oh, but see, DA McCulloch is such a grand fellow, so interested in 'fairness,' that he's KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #69

Having said that, I don't want prosecutors pressing cases they think are.... Adrahil Oct 2014 #74

Isn't the issue that those two kinds of wounds look roughly the same? Recursion Oct 2014 #160

Whitewash alert notice how the Gun 'became' unholstered on it's own. Tommymac Oct 2014 #8

As V. I. Lenin famously asked in 1903, "What is to be done?" Totally agree with KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #12

Vlad Lenin was a muderous thug. That is hardly an appropriate historical figure to reference. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #78

Hark! Mrs. Grundy has now weighed in. - nt KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #82

Are they wrong? delta17 Oct 2014 #204

Hunh? Is who wrong? KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #210

and where is the report showing Mike Brown's marym625 Oct 2014 #51

Michael didn't look very "passive" in the shop video TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #80

I'm told over and over and over that cops are not trained to shoot to Ed Suspicious Oct 2014 #183

Yes. I think you are correct. TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #193

This is the only part I actually believe happened , that Michael Brown might scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #15

I think he saw it pointing at him a tried to push it away. bravenak Oct 2014 #19

Who wouldn't do that scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #25

I can think of no one. Guns in my face are scary. bravenak Oct 2014 #27

Is the cop a righty or lefty? Reaching in and all that... Not that it matters, its all BS anyway... winstars Oct 2014 #42

The report says that the gun was on his right hip Travelman Oct 2014 #91

Nope. I think so too. Adrahil Oct 2014 #55

Well 2naSalit Oct 2014 #16

That's a defensive wound. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #17

Exactly scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #23

When someone points a gun at you it's instict to try to block the shot with your hand.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #34

Or the wound you get reaching for a gun Recursion Oct 2014 #157

It's like when they say he had weed in his system.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #216

of the multiple gunshot wounds described in the PDF this one is telling azurnoir Oct 2014 #21

Differs From Dr. Baden's Autopsy DallasNE Oct 2014 #32

This still doesn't explain the multiple shots gwheezie Oct 2014 #33

^^^ This ^^^ eom Tommymac Oct 2014 #45

This will be key.... Did Wilson continue firing.... Adrahil Oct 2014 #58

Are the police saying the gun was in the holster? Recursion Oct 2014 #159

The police chief said he never knew of any robbery. bravenak Oct 2014 #161

Wilson's claim is that he told them to get out of the street, heard the robbery report Recursion Oct 2014 #162

Here you go. bravenak Oct 2014 #163

Nobody's saying the initial stop was about the robbery Recursion Oct 2014 #166

Where is this report where Wilson says this? bravenak Oct 2014 #169

Why would I believe Wilson? Recursion Oct 2014 #172

Because Wilson has never claimed that he came back because he heard a robbery report. bravenak Oct 2014 #174

Wilson hasn't spoken publicly AFAIK Recursion Oct 2014 #175

So how can Wilson have said he heard the robbery report and came back? bravenak Oct 2014 #180

Why do you keep bringing up what "I believe"? Recursion Oct 2014 #181

I am just going off what you say. bravenak Oct 2014 #186

What did I tell you?? OldRedneck Oct 2014 #36

I already put money on it with my sister leftynyc Oct 2014 #40

I share your deep misgivings abut McCulloch's bona fides here. But in his defense, McCulloch KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #65

I don't care what he claims leftynyc Oct 2014 #68

McCulloch has left only the legitimacy his bayonets and white dragoons can provide. What KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #70

Agree 100% leftynyc Oct 2014 #71

They bring new meaning to the phrase "Mayberry Machiavellis". It's really KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #72

Well, then, he must have deserved execution without trial. 6000eliot Oct 2014 #39

After all, he WAS jaywalking peacebird Oct 2014 #57

No kidding. malthaussen Oct 2014 #75

Oh noes!!! The demon weed! Retrograde Oct 2014 #41

Oh my God....marijuana in his system? Hulk Oct 2014 #43

Reefer Madness. GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #46

My thought too JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #52

have a lot of questions riverwalker Oct 2014 #60

Pot is a calming agent, so it should help MBs case. He was calm. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #61

Or had just snorted a line of meth, coke or speed (or both). No tox screen KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #66

Drops of Brown's blood... cynzke Oct 2014 #62

They are laying the groundwork to madville Oct 2014 #76

I fear you may be right and there will be no justice for Michael. theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #81

Sometime in November madville Oct 2014 #84

After the election, no doubt KamaAina Oct 2014 #114

The outrage will not be cushioned The authorities are naive if they think that at this point. Tommymac Oct 2014 #86

Where's a B.S. smilie when you need one? KamaAina Oct 2014 #100

Right here my friend... bluesbassman Oct 2014 #111

ROFL! KamaAina Oct 2014 #112

I want to know more about the blood in the car. Calista241 Oct 2014 #105

Since pot relaxes users it makes abelenkpe Oct 2014 #135

He seemed fairly agreasive in the gas station video. Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #227

Wilson from all the pictures was right handed.... Historic NY Oct 2014 #189

If it was a hip holster. And if Ferguson PD uses strong side hip holstering Recursion Oct 2014 #215

Funny ... the media's subtle shift in framing ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #226

State of mind TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #228

I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #229

I don't know that he reached for the gun TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #231

The police officer stated that ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #232

That's a good point JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #233

...and we all know pot causes "reefer madness," which is worse than PCP and bath salts put together. yurbud Oct 2014 #230

Do they know the exact order of the shots? Myrina Oct 2014 #238

Forensic pathologists can usually ascertain if an injury is pre or postmortem. nt branford Oct 2014 #241

And what do the other autopsy reports indicate? winter is coming Oct 2014 #239

This entire thread is now part of the problem JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #251