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101. I have a very jaded view of policing in current contexts....

Mon Nov 24, 2014, 02:00 PM

Nov 2014

....so it's quite a turnabout for me to accept that perhaps the correct circumstances existed where this cop very well could have "acted in self-defense".

It's a very hard hill for me to climb, but I'll wait this one out and see what the video shows. I can't imagine a 12-year old drawing down in a threatening manner against a cop and I also realize that cops nowadays are generally frightened and trigger-happy, but I'm willing to see how this story unfolds.

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Good. GGJohn Nov 2014 #1

Self defense of a Child in a playground FreakinDJ Nov 2014 #27

but, but he had a weapon! noiretextatique Nov 2014 #91

But, but, he did. GGJohn Nov 2014 #92

Wrong, This is not hostile intent pasto76 Nov 2014 #93

especially when the 'weapon' was a BB gun noiretextatique Nov 2014 #96

Wrong, cops don't operate under the same ROE's as the military does. GGJohn Nov 2014 #97

Sorry, military ROE and police use of force aren't comparable Lurks Often Nov 2014 #108

you are ridiculous eom noiretextatique Nov 2014 #95

Wow, what a comeback. GGJohn Nov 2014 #98

Not really... FarPoint Nov 2014 #45

We do know that it was a premeditated act... stone space Nov 2014 #54

i agree samsingh Nov 2014 #80

Actually the toy manufacturer sold it with a bright orange tip... EX500rider Nov 2014 #111

Orange tips are meaningless. stone space Nov 2014 #122

I have a very jaded view of policing in current contexts.... AZ Mike Nov 2014 #101

That sounds like a very fair stance to take. GGJohn Nov 2014 #102

Formerly AZ. AZ Mike Nov 2014 #112

Thanks. GGJohn Nov 2014 #113

Flagstaff.... AZ Mike Nov 2014 #114

You get up this way and look us up, we'll treat you to a sumptuous dinner. GGJohn Nov 2014 #115

Perfect! AZ Mike Nov 2014 #116

Ignore The Lovefest billhicks76 Nov 2014 #118

Huh? AZ Mike Nov 2014 #119

And you felt the need to chime in? GGJohn Nov 2014 #120

Your Obvious billhicks76 Nov 2014 #124

Back atcha buddy. GGJohn Nov 2014 #125

I second that heaven05 Nov 2014 #126

This is good news. branford Nov 2014 #2

then why do you keep doing it? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #10

I have discussed the information that has been released. branford Nov 2014 #19

A good shoot??? PatrickforO Nov 2014 #30

A good shoot in no way means it was not a tragedy, branford Nov 2014 #32

The gun did look real, I'll give it that. PatrickforO Nov 2014 #84

I wish your buddies on the police force would come up with Ilsa Nov 2014 #89

confirmation of an execution("good shoot") heaven05 Nov 2014 #53

branford Feral Child Nov 2014 #68

I second that observation. FarPoint Nov 2014 #38

So I should apply all this course of actiona when I see one of these open carry freaks? pasto76 Nov 2014 #94

I mean everything I've heaven05 Nov 2014 #127

After viewing the Video (seeing the pistol) , even I wouldn't carry that thing around. BlueJazz Nov 2014 #3

Then I suppose the corporation that sold it should be charged. nt valerief Nov 2014 #23

Why should they be charged? GGJohn Nov 2014 #25

You know mercuryblues Nov 2014 #37

In the walmart case, it didn't have the orange tip NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #39

I know mercuryblues Nov 2014 #55

BB guns never have an orange tip. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #88

See Post #68. Feral Child Nov 2014 #70

Uh Huh. GGJohn Nov 2014 #75

If they can't be charged they should be banned BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #26

At the very least, GGJohn Nov 2014 #28

You know, rainbow colors! BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #106

Yes, a complete redesign is in order with glowing rainbow colors. GGJohn Nov 2014 #107

I enjoyed lawn darts and support the Second Amendment. branford Nov 2014 #29

The orange tip was removed making it unrecognizable as a BB Gun liberal N proud Nov 2014 #44

they should be liable samsingh Nov 2014 #79

Actually, I wonder who allowed (if they did) a 12 year old to visit stores with a replica.. BlueJazz Nov 2014 #86

I think this is what the kid had. valerief Nov 2014 #100

Crap!!! That looks real if you remove the tip. GGJohn Nov 2014 #103

Good. Brigid Nov 2014 #4

This is insane. Killing kids is insane. They have no respect for lives of the public. nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #5

If the officers' account is truthful, and there apparently is at least one video, branford Nov 2014 #9

911 caller's comments noiretextatique Nov 2014 #13

That info apparently wasn't passed on to the responding officers. GGJohn Nov 2014 #16

That information, even if received by the officers, might not be dispositive. branford Nov 2014 #20

Would you bet your life on "probably"? evirus Nov 2014 #35

This. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #64

Gun nuts and cop fetishists love this story - the quintessential "good shoot," as these assholes say alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #6

Here. let this shithead accomodate you. GGJohn Nov 2014 #7

yeah, yeah, yeah heaven05 Nov 2014 #51

Except that's not what was said nor implied by anyone. GGJohn Nov 2014 #57

Yeah, yeah, yeah heaven05 Nov 2014 #59

There you go making shit up about me again. GGJohn Nov 2014 #60

like I said to your original response heaven05 Nov 2014 #62

You're welcome. GGJohn Nov 2014 #63

Hate begats hate heaven05 Nov 2014 #65

Except I don't live my life hating everything around me. GGJohn Nov 2014 #66

you're only heaven05 Nov 2014 #67

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, whatever. GGJohn Nov 2014 #69

that's the answer I was looking for!!! heaven05 Nov 2014 #71

You too. GGJohn Nov 2014 #72

For fuck's sake Feral Child Nov 2014 #74

Uh huh. GGJohn Nov 2014 #76

Let's let the record speak: Feral Child Nov 2014 #81

Other than venting, what is you point. branford Nov 2014 #8

what race are they? heaven05 Nov 2014 #61

of course not. this would not happen in a suburb noiretextatique Nov 2014 #14

Why wouldn't this happen in a suburbs? branford Nov 2014 #21

"Why wouldn't this happen in a suburbs?" BumRushDaShow Nov 2014 #36

yup. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #117

I am neither a gun nut or a cop fetisshist as you describe but, current evidence presented shows... liberal N proud Nov 2014 #46

This NEVER would have happened heaven05 Nov 2014 #52

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #56

Yeah, I'm sure that's what happened. GGJohn Nov 2014 #58

I agree albino65 Nov 2014 #82

agreed. La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2014 #121

Won't change the outcome. The Courts will protect their own. Cops walk. End of story. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #11

Suppose the video shows exactly what the cops say actually happened? GGJohn Nov 2014 #12

what if it doesn't? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #15

Absolutely I'll admit I could be wrong. GGJohn Nov 2014 #18

If the video contradicts the officers' accounts, branford Nov 2014 #24

you forgot to respond to post #18 snooper2 Nov 2014 #77

Hopefully the video will show NeoConsSuck Nov 2014 #43

The gun looks real because it is real. It's a bb gun. mackerel Nov 2014 #17

Airsoft vs BB... Oktober Nov 2014 #22

Does the BB gun require a background check to purchase like a Glock? FarPoint Nov 2014 #40

Airsoft isn't the same as a BB gun. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #41

Hard to believe there are people here who never pocoloco Nov 2014 #73

It is NOT a BB gun TexasProgresive Nov 2014 #47

Did the kid point the gun at the cop? Beaverhausen Nov 2014 #31

The video has not been released. ManiacJoe Nov 2014 #33

The Walmart videos of the August, John Crawford shooting were held by the Attorney General. FarPoint Nov 2014 #42

Shot for reaching for something that the cop can't see? Beaverhausen Nov 2014 #87

No. Shot before the kid actually aimed at the cops. ManiacJoe Nov 2014 #123

Crazy days MFM008 Nov 2014 #34

In the 60s did he point it at cops? jmowreader Nov 2014 #48

yeah, yeah, yeah heaven05 Nov 2014 #50

It behooves responsible black parents heaven05 Nov 2014 #49

good. let's see what the truth really is samsingh Nov 2014 #78

And if it backs the cops story, GGJohn Nov 2014 #83

It will never be "justifiable", Darb Nov 2014 #85

According to reports, he was told to raise his hands, GGJohn Nov 2014 #90

Still not justifiable. The kid did not have a lethal weapon. Darb Nov 2014 #104

What part of the cops didn't have that info don't you understand? GGJohn Nov 2014 #105

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #109

Just to be clear, I'm not calling you per se asinine, I'm calling your suggestion that GGJohn Nov 2014 #110

good, because that story where instead of putting hands up boy reached for gun librechik Nov 2014 #99