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Scootaloo

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54. She wanted a no-fly zone over Syria.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 08:31 PM
Apr 2016

She actively argued to undermine her former boss - president Obama - on this notion. A no-fly zone over Syria would by necessity require at least the credible threat of shooting down violators. The nation operating most in Syrian airspace is Russia. Hillary clinton undermined Barack Obama's authority because she thought we need to shoot down Russian planes operating in Syrian airspace because... because... because... well she was never quite clear about the "because." maybe there was no "because." Maybe the because was 'just because."

She also spoke against the administration's approach toward iran, demanding ever-more onerous sanctions instead of diplomacy. While this is better than shooting people down, it's still not productive, and in fact as she was speaking after diplomacy was already underway, was actually counter-productive. it was no different than when those republican senators mailed Iran to try to threaten them with a Republican presidency.

This came on the heels of her role in destroying Libya, to no progress for Libya, or even hard-nosed realpolitik gain for the US. Another "just because?" Libya is a ruined country now, and likely will be for some time, at her urging to the president. There was no follow-through there from the US. Kill Ghaddafi and scurry off, to laugh about it later on TV.

That is on the back of her role in not just voting for the iraq war, but ardently supporting hte Bush administrations fraudulent causus belli. She stood in front of the Senate and repeated every lie from Dubya's lips, arguing for them to join her in voting for action against Iraq. Iraq is now also a ruin. or as Clinton phrased it in 2011, "a business opportunity." Just because.

it has nothing to do with sander. Kind of the other way around, actually - much of sanders' support stems from facts like these about clinton. she's a war hawk. And not just a war hawk, she's pretty dumb war hawk at that. Her foreign policy arguments have very solidly been in the wrong whether she's in or our of office. When in office, the ability to make her bad ideas into worse reality has led to millions of people dead.

She's a warmongering fool who wants power in order to grind people she doesn't like into the dirt. She's Nixon with a D next to his name.

Massive K&R..... daleanime Apr 2016 #1
Thank you for posting this. This is a fight for our democracy, our homes, our jobs, our retirements rhett o rick Apr 2016 #2
Damn Straight montanacowboy Apr 2016 #3
Barry and the Boys - JFK and the Bush Clinton machine ViseGrip Apr 2016 #4
Not one of which was deserved. n/t. bvf Apr 2016 #10
Indeed. truebrit71 Apr 2016 #12
K&R. Good description by Oliver Stone of what's needed to get out of foreign wars appalachiablue Apr 2016 #5
He speaks for me. K&R Hiraeth Apr 2016 #6
And the guy's an expert on Doors. Herman4747 Apr 2016 #7
"Hillary’s record includes supporting the barbaric “contras” against the Nicaraguan people in the 1" Cryptoad Apr 2016 #8
Much of the gun running and drug traffic in the 80's Beowulf Apr 2016 #22
more likely he has fried his brain on dope.... Cryptoad Apr 2016 #25
That's a Vietnam veteran and human rights activist you're disparaging, my friend DerekG Apr 2016 #31
being a nam vet dont mean squat Cryptoad Apr 2016 #41
Sad Mark 750 Apr 2016 #48
How sad that you have so little regard whathehell Apr 2016 #71
Didn't see that one coming. Under the bus with ye Phlem Apr 2016 #37
I won't post the information here passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #26
Try google, toad. worked for me. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #32
yea fisrt lady of AK running contra guns..... funny Cryptoad Apr 2016 #53
First Lady of Arkansas creatives4innovation Apr 2016 #33
Good to know that her beliefs are totally abandoned the moment she takes office Scootaloo Apr 2016 #52
Woo-hoo! bvf Apr 2016 #9
+10000 heaven05 Apr 2016 #11
Um... I supported and still support the NATO bombing of Serb forces during the Kosovo offensive... RiverNoord Apr 2016 #13
Same here. Duppers Apr 2016 #14
No, the NATO bombings did not save lives, it actually accelerated ethnic cleansing. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #19
I'm with you. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #21
Whoa abelenkpe Apr 2016 #15
KnR SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #16
If you believe that, then you have had way too much Sanders Kool-aid riversedge Apr 2016 #29
Ha ha ha ha ha!!! Good one! Phlem Apr 2016 #38
Anytime. riversedge Apr 2016 #43
Hillary - Queen of CHAOS? Mark 750 Apr 2016 #47
She wanted a no-fly zone over Syria. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #54
Another rich guy coming out for Bernie Renew Deal Apr 2016 #17
You obviously forgot your SARCASM emoticon... Raster Apr 2016 #34
Oliver Stone isn't rich? Renew Deal Apr 2016 #42
I'm sure he's comfortable... Raster Apr 2016 #44
I know. He's one of the rich people we like Renew Deal Apr 2016 #49
You know that having a problem with wealth inequality doesn't mean hating rich people, right? Scootaloo Apr 2016 #55
Bravo! Raster Apr 2016 #57
I know but it does mean hating rich people that don't support our candidate. Renew Deal Apr 2016 #58
"I know but" is a funny way of saying "I didn't know" Scootaloo Apr 2016 #59
And yet you're the only one that said that. Renew Deal Apr 2016 #61
It's the first three words in your response to me. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #69
No richer than Hillary whathehell Apr 2016 #73
Yay...Let's all get down on rich people, especially the democrats. whathehell Apr 2016 #72
"Millionaires and Billionaires" Renew Deal Apr 2016 #74
What about them? whathehell Apr 2016 #75
This speaks to me. Duval Apr 2016 #18
K&R damn right Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #20
Big K/R grntuscarora Apr 2016 #23
Oliver Stone: Wall Street. merrily Apr 2016 #24
Oliver Stone is the entitled scion of considerable Wall Street wealth. Paladin Apr 2016 #79
So is Dr. Howard Dean. Neither fact makes the film Wall Street less good or less relevant. merrily Apr 2016 #81
war much SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #82
Also the lead character in a TV Western. merrily Apr 2016 #83
common theme SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #84
It's "Paladin" because: Paladin Apr 2016 #85
I know someone who said, "Sure, we stirred up a hornet's nest,...now we have to kill every hornet." Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #27
Well. Game over, then. swag Apr 2016 #28
Huge kick and recommend Polly. highoverheadspace Apr 2016 #30
Henry A Kissinger. nt GoLeft2004 Apr 2016 #35
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #36
I couldn't have said it better myself, I really wish I could however because we need more than Dragonfli Apr 2016 #39
K&R! Phlem Apr 2016 #40
Pray, Meditate, Envision a future with Bernie as President and a Progressive Legislature. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #45
Deeds, not prayer n/t Scootaloo Apr 2016 #56
Thanks for the addition, Scootaloo, yes ACTIONS! Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #86
big k and r! bbgrunt Apr 2016 #46
Recommend! KoKo Apr 2016 #50
This surprises me. Archae Apr 2016 #51
Talk about 'consider the source'. nt COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #62
Powerful take down of the JFK movie and Oliver Stone! Mark 750 Apr 2016 #63
It doesn't say anything about what I wrote. Archae Apr 2016 #64
*CREDIBLE* Mark 750 Apr 2016 #68
BTW, Phillip Klass had ths habit of showing the flying saucer kooks to be nuts. Archae Apr 2016 #65
Venus or plasma Mark 750 Apr 2016 #67
There's a forum waiting for you. Archae Apr 2016 #76
K/R 840high Apr 2016 #60
Bernie's ok, but Oliver Stone? Not so much. HuckleB Apr 2016 #66
I think you are smarter than this. Mark 750 Apr 2016 #70
Yeah, we have this aversion to Stone. Archae Apr 2016 #78
Till the end is our battle cry 4dsc Apr 2016 #77
Oliver Stone Cuts through The Smoke Screen colsohlibgal Apr 2016 #80
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