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Igel

(35,320 posts)
25. I'd say anything that ultimately fails to teach kids to function outside their bubble is a bad thing
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 01:07 PM
Mar 2012

But schools are a bubble. Teens set up their own society, their own structures. They're not like adult structures. They don't have adult responsibilities.

The rules aren't very adult-like. The expectations are fake-adult-like. They sort of look adult, but in fact they're not. They're a delusion, and satisfying just the minimum standards for being in high school would get most adults fired within a week. No detention, no remediation, no third second changes.

Most of my kids learn to be adults, learn to live outside the bubble, in their home lives and their lives outside of home and school. They have friends and neighbors that aren't set by school norms; they get jobs; they interact with adults, relatives or not, in fairly natural settings. I've known some home schooling disasters. But I've also known homeschoolers that were better in adult society at age 16 than in 16-year-old society. Somehow other kids' parents thought this wrong. "Kids should be kids." What a kid should be has changed over the years, varies by community and family.

When kids are exposed to "outside the bubble" stuff in school, it's usually on the side. And it's often not when they're ready for it, it's when others decide they're ready for it. Those "others" aren't adults responsible for the kids but other, often older or delinquent, kids. These are the things that the bubble that teachers and administrators is designed to mitigate--then they often turn around and implicitly say that these factors are the reason for public school.

Here's an example of "outside the bubble" behavior. A 15-year-old in my class got pregnant. She really wasn't ready for sex, much less pregnancy. She's quiet, backwards, and went out with the guy on a dare: Social pressure. She got pregnant a couple of weeks later. The girl got counseling; parents said "no" to an abortion and the girl was too meek to have an opinion. Her parents said "you will marry"; his parents said "you will marry."

Provisions were made for her pregnancy in phys ed, in what she'd have to do for classes. She had a teacher collect all her stuff for 6 or 8 weeks and deliver it to her home, tutoring her so she wouldn't get behind. Tests were proctored at home. Projects got incompletes or "excused" so as not to pressure her. She is provided with free daycare services in school and counseling. Absences because of her child's illness or checkups are excused. The school helped make sure that the government service providers were lined up for her.

Now, try this: She's 19 and working as a cashier. She's pregnant, and for the last 3 months special provisions are made to allow her flexibility in work schedule and in working conditions. Since she's making minimum wage, her employer contacts government aid agencies and makes her appointments, following up to make sure she attended. She gets free counseling at work during work hours. She gets time off with pay for absences for her checkups, 6 or 8 weeks off (with employer assistance to make sure she can do whatever work only she can do) and, when she returns to work she gets free daycare, counseling, and anytime her kid is sick or needs a checkup she's excused from work. To me, that sounds really, really cushy.

Tell me that's not a bubble, that this has taught her how to be an adult. It's keep her life from being ruined by unpunished date-rape--we figure there's little chance that the guy will actually marry her, esp. since the baby's nearly a year old and he's stationed overseas, but she's been kept in school and between parents and the school district she has time to finish her junior year.

US Christian Madrassas - n/t lapfog_1 Mar 2012 #1
Absolutely get the red out Mar 2012 #6
Consequences of "home schooling". no_hypocrisy Mar 2012 #2
The other side Skelly Mar 2012 #7
When it works well, it works very well spinbaby Mar 2012 #13
My problem is my client is being punished for homeschooling (to the best of her ability). no_hypocrisy Mar 2012 #22
Home Schooling has its good and bad points fasttense Mar 2012 #3
A lot of it depends upon the child Alcibiades Mar 2012 #9
I've seen this a few times. Igel Mar 2012 #23
Isolation is what it is all about when religion is the issue. n/t Bonhomme Richard Mar 2012 #4
Faux Newz and Rush will take up the slack and turn them into good little... freshwest Mar 2012 #5
This isn't so much a home schooling issue as it is a religious fanaticism issue. teewrex Mar 2012 #8
There are good and bad homeschoolers, private schools, public schools, etc. jhasp Mar 2012 #10
quality of the teacher d_r Mar 2012 #11
Still a state issue? Skelly Mar 2012 #16
Oversight is the issue. Igel Mar 2012 #24
I worry more about the social 'isolation' that so many of the religiously sinkingfeeling Mar 2012 #12
Anything that teaches a kid to function in a bubble is a bad thing. Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 #19
I'd say anything that ultimately fails to teach kids to function outside their bubble is a bad thing Igel Mar 2012 #25
home schooling is not for everyone who WANTS IT mimitabby Mar 2012 #14
When I was in college Skelly Mar 2012 #21
True. I met illiterate home-schooled kids. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #15
I don't understand how/why Myrina Mar 2012 #17
Because the teams aren't academics. Igel Mar 2012 #26
We were partial home schoolers ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #18
It is NOT just the narrow "Education Spectrum" that is important. bvar22 Mar 2012 #20
"Cannot"? Igel Mar 2012 #27
90% of your list Skelly Mar 2012 #28
I vehemently disagree. laundry_queen Mar 2012 #29
I expected Home Schoolers to disagree. bvar22 Mar 2012 #30
I am an avid homeschool parent and I see potential negatives with homeschooling jhasp Mar 2012 #31
All in all, bvar22 Mar 2012 #33
How many homeschoolers do you know? jhasp Mar 2012 #34
Homeschooling can be a reflection of control freak parents Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #32
Being President of the PTA Skelly Mar 2012 #40
Many homeschool parents have a low level of education in the first place. Kablooie Mar 2012 #35
The magical age jhasp Mar 2012 #36
Do you have any statistics to back this up? jhasp Mar 2012 #37
It varies nxylas Mar 2012 #38
I used to volunteer in the library in my small California town. MineralMan Mar 2012 #39
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