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Igel

(35,317 posts)
26. Because the teams aren't academics.
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 01:33 PM
Mar 2012

They're bonuses, add ons. Some states allow homeschoolers to participate. Some don't.

They're not always just school-based. I've known schools that didn't have enough students for their own team. The students a team district-wide or from 2-3 adjacent schools.

Often the "you don't attend, you can't participate" argument relies on funding.

In some cases the school only pays for part of the extramural funding. Or the funds are kept segregated on the school's budget. There's the mission of the school with one funding source; then there are extramural sports with a different source. Football team needs new uniforms? School won't buy them--the PTO does. There's a real sense in which they're "extramural"--they're "outside the walls" of the school.

There are even entirely self-supported organizations. You want to belong to X club, you pay the fee to support it. The only thing the school does is make available a heated/cooled lit room with a volunteer employee.

Then there's the larger district funding issue. Homeschooling parents pay taxes for the schools yet don't use the school's academic services. It's claimed this is fair because they don't want the services. Then when they do want *some* services it's said to be fair to deny them the services because they don't want the complete service package. Sometimes the argument is made that non-attendance deprives the school of federal or state money-if they're not going to participate in society's obligation to teach all students, screw them. Still, the parents usually pay more in taxes than extramural services would cost. Federal and state money goes for academics and teacher--not coach--salaries.

The funding issue falls flat in many districts. The district we live in has a grandfather-in clause. If you're a sophomore at a high school you can spend your junior or senior year there. It's your "community." You have something like a $50 tuition fee per year. No property tax money from your parents, but you can be on the football team, debate squad, whatever. You attend the school, you can participate.

Often the "you don't attend, you don't participate" argument sounds like sour grapes or bitterness. "Public schools not good enough for your parents, little asswipe? You don't like our beliefs? You disapprove of our views? And now you want to let little Amanda-Sue or Billy-Sean use our facilities? Screw you!" It's not a public-service argument, not a betterment-of-society argument. It's seldom even a fiscal argument that is sustainable, unless you assume that tax support for public education is a duty to society with no reciprocal obligation. Having a dozen homeschoolers on teams that are no larger than they'd otherwise be doesn't exactly cost the schoolboard a dime. You pay $X for your 30-person team, regardless of who they are. It's usually a moral-support-for-public-education argument. It's an ideological argument waged by one set of adults to hurt the parents by punishing their kids--if the parents fall into line, great, otherwise the kids get the shaft. Not very compassionate, either. Sure, nail the parents for being obdurate, uncaring conservatives who sacrifice kids for ideology and personal views. But then to sit back and be obdurate, uncaring liberals who sacrifice kids for ideology and personal views? I find this unconvincing. I think it's common, and that not just in the sense of "frequently occurring."

Some school districts even take the societal obligation to educate all students as a service to the community seriously enough to ex parte allow homeschoolers to actually do the lab portion of their homeschooling science or foreign language curriculum on campus. Can't do the lab with the spectrograph at home? Don't have the right telescope? Not enough photogates and accelerometers in the garage? Off to the high school with you for the afternoon! Sometimes there's an equipment/materials fee, sometimes not. It does some serious pomo deconstruction of the idea of a public school system as a monolithic, bureaucratic entity.

Personally I think that since it ultimately depends on the allocation of tax dollars it should be up for a community vote every decade or so. Just put it on the ballot in November every 10-12 years.

US Christian Madrassas - n/t lapfog_1 Mar 2012 #1
Absolutely get the red out Mar 2012 #6
Consequences of "home schooling". no_hypocrisy Mar 2012 #2
The other side Skelly Mar 2012 #7
When it works well, it works very well spinbaby Mar 2012 #13
My problem is my client is being punished for homeschooling (to the best of her ability). no_hypocrisy Mar 2012 #22
Home Schooling has its good and bad points fasttense Mar 2012 #3
A lot of it depends upon the child Alcibiades Mar 2012 #9
I've seen this a few times. Igel Mar 2012 #23
Isolation is what it is all about when religion is the issue. n/t Bonhomme Richard Mar 2012 #4
Faux Newz and Rush will take up the slack and turn them into good little... freshwest Mar 2012 #5
This isn't so much a home schooling issue as it is a religious fanaticism issue. teewrex Mar 2012 #8
There are good and bad homeschoolers, private schools, public schools, etc. jhasp Mar 2012 #10
quality of the teacher d_r Mar 2012 #11
Still a state issue? Skelly Mar 2012 #16
Oversight is the issue. Igel Mar 2012 #24
I worry more about the social 'isolation' that so many of the religiously sinkingfeeling Mar 2012 #12
Anything that teaches a kid to function in a bubble is a bad thing. Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 #19
I'd say anything that ultimately fails to teach kids to function outside their bubble is a bad thing Igel Mar 2012 #25
home schooling is not for everyone who WANTS IT mimitabby Mar 2012 #14
When I was in college Skelly Mar 2012 #21
True. I met illiterate home-schooled kids. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #15
I don't understand how/why Myrina Mar 2012 #17
Because the teams aren't academics. Igel Mar 2012 #26
We were partial home schoolers ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #18
It is NOT just the narrow "Education Spectrum" that is important. bvar22 Mar 2012 #20
"Cannot"? Igel Mar 2012 #27
90% of your list Skelly Mar 2012 #28
I vehemently disagree. laundry_queen Mar 2012 #29
I expected Home Schoolers to disagree. bvar22 Mar 2012 #30
I am an avid homeschool parent and I see potential negatives with homeschooling jhasp Mar 2012 #31
All in all, bvar22 Mar 2012 #33
How many homeschoolers do you know? jhasp Mar 2012 #34
Homeschooling can be a reflection of control freak parents Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #32
Being President of the PTA Skelly Mar 2012 #40
Many homeschool parents have a low level of education in the first place. Kablooie Mar 2012 #35
The magical age jhasp Mar 2012 #36
Do you have any statistics to back this up? jhasp Mar 2012 #37
It varies nxylas Mar 2012 #38
I used to volunteer in the library in my small California town. MineralMan Mar 2012 #39
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