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In reply to the discussion: The Fact-Checkers Are Clueless [View all]Uncle Joe
(58,524 posts)78. The fact checkers based their assumptions on a faulty premise
Last edited Tue Aug 21, 2018, 10:19 AM - Edit history (2)
beginning with a lie at worst or misunderstanding at best told by Blahous, that's not a "conspiracy theory" it's a fact (s).
From your own post #26
Proponents are perfectly free to argue for those provider cuts and to say that THEY believe M4A will therefore lower national health spending, and also to cite whatever data they want in support of their arguments, from any study they find credible, Blahous told us. What they shouldnt say is that I also reached that conclusion, because thats incorrect. That finding should not be attributed to me or to my study."
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/08/the-cost-of-medicare-for-all/
Bernie never said that Blahous reached the same overall conclusion as in the inserting of his own alternate reality scenario not based on Medicare for All as is in Bernie's Bill.
1. Bernie did thank the Koch Brothers for sponsoring a study that shows Medicare for All (that's actually Bernie's plan) not Blahous' would save over 2 trillion dollars over a ten year period. Bernie states that he suspects the Koch Brothers didn't intend to do that but that is what is in the study of the Mercatus Center that is significantly funded by the Koch Brothers.
The author of the Mercatus Report attempted to distance his own findings that clearly shows Medicare for All (Bernie's plan as graded) would indeed save the American People two trillion dollars over a ten year period to "Bernie was being disingenuous by claiming that they reached the same overall conclusion" just to change the frame of the argument and some fact checkers ate it up.
Tapper even went a step further by changing Bernie's statement of saving the American People two trillion dollars to the that of the government to "fact check" Bernie and Alexandria.
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Yes, he's "speaking about the American Peoples' savings" but giving precious little detail about....
George II
Aug 2018
#10
Using BERNIE'S PLAN, even the Mercatus report reflected two trillion dollars in savings,
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#13
Bernie is one of Vermont's U.S. Senators not the Governor of that fine state.
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#39
Actually, his refusal to talk about Green Mountain Care's failure, and possible lessons learned
ehrnst
Aug 2018
#31
Vermont is not an island in the ocean and has a small population to boot, it's not even a
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#48
When Bernie was citing two trillion dollars in savings for the American People listed in the
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#36
It's not a static world Hortensis what can't be achieved today can very well be done
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#51
It's a bill and Blahous of the Koch funded Mercatus Center based his findings
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#82
Did you listen to your own video Tapper either begins misleading or lies at about
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#19
Do you believe "government" and the "American People" are the same thing in regards to this issue?
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#22
Who pays for the 20% of medical bills that Medicare doesn't cover? It only covers 80%
brush
Aug 2018
#42
Who pays for the bills that the uninsured leave at the emergency room doorstep?
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#44
I'm asking a serious question. If you don't know if Medicare for all pays for it just say so.
brush
Aug 2018
#45
It is almost as if someone WANTS universal to fail, ultimately. Or that it should be
Eliot Rosewater
Aug 2018
#28
I was under the assumption that Sanders' bill was conceptual in nature with very few....
George II
Aug 2018
#7
The author makes assumptions on what the medical community will or won't do and from whence does he
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#40
Here's a video of Tapper changing Bernie and Alexandria's claim but don't believe your own eyes
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#8
Here is what Ricardo Alonzo-Zaldivar from AP has to say about the Mercatus Center paper:
George II
Aug 2018
#18
Bernie said "that wasn't what the study intended to do but it was in the study"
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#43
I'll believe factcheck.org and/or Politifact over any politician when they disagree.
ehrnst
Aug 2018
#57
And the substance of the article refers to the "fact checkers' and backs up it's assertions.
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#65
This isn't a tweet! The Medicare for All Bill, Mercatus report, Bernie's truthful response,
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#70
Fact checking IS fact checking, that's the point, so we're checking the facts of the fact checkers
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#72
When you post conspiracy theory worthy, unsubstantiated claims about the free press
ehrnst
Aug 2018
#73
I believe you and I have used many of the same posts over the course of our debates
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#117
I've cited Sach's analysis on CNN as well but you have yet to respond to his article
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#120
Your very OP concerns the Mercatus study, and the fact checking of Bernie's claims about it.
ehrnst
Aug 2018
#121
Sanders clearly didn't contact Blahous before making his statement on the study.
ehrnst
Aug 2018
#83
I have a feeling that talking points were rolled out based on a superficial reading
lapucelle
Aug 2018
#86
That's Blahous' opinion NOT based on the requirements of the BILL it's just an
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#94
Still no answer to how the author of the study is not credible enough to understand
ehrnst
Aug 2018
#113
Why use the word "cherry picked" when citing the results of study of the actual BILL.
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#88
There were two aspects of this report one pertaining to the ACTUAL bill which reflects savings of
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#96
There are KNOWN aspects of the bill to which Blahous chose to ignore in his second scenario
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#108
As the author said, Sanders chose a number presented as "unlikely" according to the study.
ehrnst
Aug 2018
#92
Bernie chose the number from the grading of his actual bill and what about this?
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#99
I just presented evidence from economist Jeffrey Sachs stating of at least three major dynamics not
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#106
And I presented to you Blahous' statement on the conclusions that were not supported by his study.
ehrnst
Aug 2018
#110
Bernie was pointing to "An Inconvenient Truth" WITHIN the study because he believed
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#122
The only possibility based in the real world was the analysis of the actual BILL not
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#98
So he's not "competent enough" to come up with a scenario that proves Bernie's numbers...
ehrnst
Aug 2018
#101
Indeed. Bernie's own projections are not as fleshed out, and he is not a policy analyst.
ehrnst
Aug 2018
#107
The study was purely binary, Bernie has wisely proposed a whole range of funding options and
Uncle Joe
Aug 2018
#126