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156. Yes - It Is Gone - And Now Our Privacy Is Gone As Well

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Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:20 PM

Jan 2014

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Snowden: the case for prosecution (The Economist | Jan 10th 2014) [View all] struggle4progress Jan 2014 OP

...he saw stuff he didn’t like, and worried about where it was heading... MADem Jan 2014 #1

^^This!^^^ BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #5

The Only Harm Snowden Has Done To The Empire Is Bruising The Egos Of Oligarchs And Their Minions cantbeserious Jan 2014 #2

Cute sloganeering is a crude substitute for detailed analysis based on actual facts struggle4progress Jan 2014 #7

The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Jan 2014 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #8

Actually, snot Jan 2014 #3

yep grasswire Jan 2014 #4

+1 blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #9

Like what? nt MADem Jan 2014 #6

How About Wanton Desecration Of The 4th Amendment As A Start cantbeserious Jan 2014 #11

You'll, of course, point me to the court ruling that made that determination? MADem Jan 2014 #15

Most American School Children Learn Of The Sanctity Of The US Constitution In Grade School cantbeserious Jan 2014 #16

Apparently you slept through the lesson on how the constitutionality of an action is determined? MADem Jan 2014 #18

And Apparently A Stacked Conservative FISA Court Is Something One Missed As Well cantbeserious Jan 2014 #19

Write your Senator, now! Demand advise and consent review! That's the American way! nt MADem Jan 2014 #21

Occupy Wall Street Taught The 99% That American Democracy Is Dead cantbeserious Jan 2014 #22

No, it taught some campers that libertarians and anarchists can be disruptive for a brief period of MADem Jan 2014 #23

Long Time DUers Defending The Empire And Oligarchs - Fascinating cantbeserious Jan 2014 #24

Apparently you don't quite "get" the goal of DU--we're here to elect more Democrats and fewer MADem Jan 2014 #27

Some Here Are Progressives - For Those The Goal Is Social Justice - Not Defense Of The Realm cantbeserious Jan 2014 #28

More "empire" references. You're aptly named. MADem Jan 2014 #29

The First Of The Logical Fallacies - Ad Hominen Attacks - Attacking A User Name cantbeserious Jan 2014 #31

Way to avoid the point I made, that you did not, apparently read the link offered. MADem Jan 2014 #35

And One Is Defending A Two Party System That Defends And Justifies The 1% And Their Minions cantbeserious Jan 2014 #36

Ah, we're back to the "Evil Empire" again. And "minions" no less! MADem Jan 2014 #44

Fascinating That One Continues To Defend Empire And The 1% At The Expense Of The 99% cantbeserious Jan 2014 #49

Fascinating that one avoids the topic of conversation in favor of sweeping generalizations about MADem Jan 2014 #54

Fascinating That One Still Continues To Defend The Empire And Their Minions cantbeserious Jan 2014 #56

Outta gas, eh? I'm doing no such thing, and you pretending I am is not supported by my comments. MADem Jan 2014 #67

Not Out Of Gas At All - Please Continue - Though You Have Stated Your Case On Snowden cantbeserious Jan 2014 #70

You'll have to go back to post fifty four and provide an actual response if we're to go on. nt MADem Jan 2014 #76

My Response Is That Snowden Is A Whistle Blower - Please Continue cantbeserious Jan 2014 #78

He's not. He's a thief who stole secrets and ran to Russia via China with them, who hid MADem Jan 2014 #80

And You Can Prove This How - No Evidence To Support The Stated Claims - Opinion Only cantbeserious Jan 2014 #83

You need to keep up--he **admitted** that he stole that stuff. Watch his interviews in HK. MADem Jan 2014 #90

Yes - Whistle Blowers Steel Stuff - Have You Ever Heard Of The Pentagon Papers cantbeserious Jan 2014 #92

He's no Ellsberg--but nice attempt at deflection. You do that a lot, I see. MADem Jan 2014 #98

No Deflection Required - Just History cantbeserious Jan 2014 #99

OK, so your definition of "deflection" is "history." MADem Jan 2014 #101

No Deflection - Just History - Whistle Blowers Steal Stuff cantbeserious Jan 2014 #104

I see you have run out of gas. You're sputtering. MADem Jan 2014 #107

No Sputtering - How Long Would You Like To Discuss Your Opinion cantbeserious Jan 2014 #110

How long would you like to turn the ignition and cough ineffectually? nt MADem Jan 2014 #117

As Long As You Like cantbeserious Jan 2014 #122

It's not me that will need a new starter... nt MADem Jan 2014 #137

My Batteries Are Still Running cantbeserious Jan 2014 #139

Why do you care about the Fourth Amendment? treestar Jan 2014 #141

Why Do I Care ... cantbeserious Jan 2014 #142

If you really think it's gone, because the banksters have taken over treestar Jan 2014 #155

Yes - It Is Gone - And Now Our Privacy Is Gone As Well cantbeserious Jan 2014 #156

Looks like you put together a very depressing picture for yourself treestar Jan 2014 #158

Not Depressing For One - Depressing For All cantbeserious Jan 2014 #159

To change the FISA court, or the rules governing it, will require our control of Congress struggle4progress Jan 2014 #47

That One Still Believes In The Rule Of Law And Establishment Processes Of Power Setup For The 1% cantbeserious Jan 2014 #50

What appeals to you, it seems, is a certain way of sneering knowingly, which permits you struggle4progress Jan 2014 #66

Pretty Presumptuous Reply - Have A Listen To Chris Hedges - He Sums Up Matters Well cantbeserious Jan 2014 #68

It doesn't help. It's abstract and generic. It teaches nothing about the actual mechanics struggle4progress Jan 2014 #72

Too Sad That One Is Unwilling To Learn More About Hedges - He Speaks Of Mechanics Often cantbeserious Jan 2014 #89

Hedges is a NYT war pimp, and "eom" goes in the subject line, not the message. ucrdem Jan 2014 #94

Labeling Hedges A War Pimp Is Amazing - One Presumes That War Reporting Is Not Valued cantbeserious Jan 2014 #96

No. Hedges is a very bright man, who trained as a theologian and then spent most of his adult life struggle4progress Jan 2014 #113

Thank You For Your Opinion - Others Would Disagree With This Assessment In General cantbeserious Jan 2014 #114

You are killin' it, MA! Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #38

Heh....I live in the real world! MADem Jan 2014 #45

When Digging A Hole In Defense Of The 1% Has Been Dug - Best To Stop Digging cantbeserious Jan 2014 #52

You're digging a hole when you keep whining about "the one percent." MADem Jan 2014 #55

Fascinating That One Would Willing Give Up Liberty For Safety - Ben Franklin Says cantbeserious Jan 2014 #57

Yeah, let's misquote Ben Franklin, now! MADem Jan 2014 #60

That One Believes That Snowden Is Not A Whistle Blower Has Been Made Clear cantbeserious Jan 2014 #61

Indeed. He's not one, not anymore--if ever. nt MADem Jan 2014 #63

Your Opinion - And Your Opinion Only - Others Will Disagree cantbeserious Jan 2014 #65

Well, not Bernie Sanders, or Rand Paul, or Elizabeth Warren...they don't disagree. MADem Jan 2014 #69

It Is Your Opinion - If You Choose To Hide Behind The Opinion Of Others - That Is Your Choice cantbeserious Jan 2014 #71

Hide behind? More like stand beside, but whatever. nt MADem Jan 2014 #74

Good To See How Ones Opinions Are Formed cantbeserious Jan 2014 #75

It's rather simplistic to assume that association is causation--it's not. nt MADem Jan 2014 #77

If You Do Associate With The Stated Opinion Makers - Please Elaborate cantbeserious Jan 2014 #81

I agree with them that Snowden's path back to USA is through a stint in jail. nt MADem Jan 2014 #82

Your Opinion - And Your Opinion Only cantbeserious Jan 2014 #85

You're doing that parrot thing again. nt MADem Jan 2014 #86

You Are The One That Wants To Restate Your Opinion Repeatedly cantbeserious Jan 2014 #88

Well, that's just not accurate. nt MADem Jan 2014 #91

We Know Your Opinion - You Have Stated It Repeatedly cantbeserious Jan 2014 #95

As have you. nt MADem Jan 2014 #103

I Am Not The One Arguing Your Opinion - You Are - We Know Where You Stand cantbeserious Jan 2014 #106

You aren't arguing at all--you haven't been for some time. MADem Jan 2014 #108

There Is Nothing To Argue - Your Opinion Is Clear - Snowden Is A Criminal - Others Disagree cantbeserious Jan 2014 #111

Well, you got that right--you haven't argued because you don't have an argument...there is, indeed, MADem Jan 2014 #118

Glad To See That That Arguing With Yourself Is Pointless - You Are Free To Argue With Others cantbeserious Jan 2014 #120

Considering your use of the royal 'We', mind if i ask where his highness rules? n/t Bodhi BloodWave Jan 2014 #171

Those Reading This Thread And Following Along With The Conversation cantbeserious Jan 2014 #172

Putin might think some of the Snowden materials nilesobek Jan 2014 #112

Binney And Hedges Thoughts About The Snowden Revelations In the US cantbeserious Jan 2014 #115

Putin did say that--but Snowden has disrupted US diplomatic relations at every turn. MADem Jan 2014 #116

And That Matters Why - The Desecration of The 4th Amendment Is Much More Important cantbeserious Jan 2014 #123

So do tell me--you occupy which seat on the Supreme Court? MADem Jan 2014 #126

Deflection - We Now Know Again That The Us Constitution Is Of Little Value To You cantbeserious Jan 2014 #130

No, 'we' don't. Tsk, tsk. Not very good, that one. As the kids say, "fail." nt MADem Jan 2014 #132

You Are The One - By Your Posts - That Advocates For The Desecration of The 4th Amendment cantbeserious Jan 2014 #133

No, I am not. But you're the one who apparently has the idea you're on the Supreme Court--since you MADem Jan 2014 #135

More Deflection - More Deflection cantbeserious Jan 2014 #143

Supportive Cohorts For The 1% Defense Have Arrived - We Look Forward To The Continued Debate cantbeserious Jan 2014 #51

You're the one defending One Percenter Eddie, here--not me. MADem Jan 2014 #58

Snowden's Salary Does Not Qualify As A 1% Member - That Would Be North Of A Quarter Million Per Annum cantbeserious Jan 2014 #59

He took a HUGE pay cut to go steal information at BAH. Worst case, he's in the top TWO percent... MADem Jan 2014 #62

From Wikiepedia - Household Income Distribution cantbeserious Jan 2014 #64

Well, he's at least in the top five, but he was making close to two hundred before he took the pay MADem Jan 2014 #73

So Because He Did Not Set The Salary Levels Within The Corporation He Is Inherently Evil cantbeserious Jan 2014 #79

You--not me--have been the one whining about the Evil One Percenters in this thread. MADem Jan 2014 #84

Please Review - You Are The One That Raised Snowden's Salary As An Issue cantbeserious Jan 2014 #87

You're the one who started whining about evil one percenters in a thread about Snowden, who MADem Jan 2014 #93

Wikipedia Data Refuted That Assertion Up Thread cantbeserious Jan 2014 #97

By your own data, he's a "richy rich." MADem Jan 2014 #100

Not My Data - Data From US Economy - Definitions Provided By Others cantbeserious Jan 2014 #102

"Your" data is the data that "you" provided here in this thread. nt MADem Jan 2014 #105

See Wikipedia Link Below - The Same Link Provided Earlier - Data Provided By Others cantbeserious Jan 2014 #109

Yes--the data that YOU provided. nt MADem Jan 2014 #119

Wrong - Data Provided By Wikipedia cantbeserious Jan 2014 #121

Data provided to this thread by YOU. So, sorry--not wrong. MADem Jan 2014 #129

Data Provided By Wikipedia - Attacking The Messenger Is Another Logical Fallacy cantbeserious Jan 2014 #131

Ah, the parrot approach again. You apparently don't understand that pointing out a fact is not an MADem Jan 2014 #134

More Ad Hominen Attack - Labeling People As Parrots cantbeserious Jan 2014 #144

Looks like the fake 99%'rs got here first. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #138

You won't get any examples of systemic illegal practices because the policies weren't illegal. stevenleser Jan 2014 #173

Yes - Very Predictable "Take Down" Journalism - Short On Specifics - Long On Suggestion And Innuendo cantbeserious Jan 2014 #12

And pro-government, typical of the Economist Doctor_J Jan 2014 #14

The 1% Talking To Themselves - Very Similar To The Wall Street Journal cantbeserious Jan 2014 #17

The Economist, in fact, tends to fall on the anti-government libertarian side of the spectrum struggle4progress Jan 2014 #20

And This Assertion Can Be Proven - How cantbeserious Jan 2014 #25

You could, for example, read The Economist cover to cover for a while struggle4progress Jan 2014 #46

Yes, that's a bit of an inconvenient truth. MADem Jan 2014 #30

And Yet No Proof Of The Assertion Has Been Provided cantbeserious Jan 2014 #32

Well, that's kind of like saying "No proof that the sky is blue has been provided." MADem Jan 2014 #34

And Yet - Their Defense Of The Indefensible Belies Their Stated Principles - Seems To Happen Often cantbeserious Jan 2014 #37

I don't think you've supported that statement at all. MADem Jan 2014 #39

Spreading Fear Uncertainty And Doubt Is A Common Journalistic Practice In Use These Days cantbeserious Jan 2014 #40

So, covering both sides of a specific issue while touting a libertarian agenda is spreading FUD? MADem Jan 2014 #43

Any Libertarian Agenda Has Been Raised Solely In One's Reply - FUD Is The Process Of Causing Doubt cantbeserious Jan 2014 #53

No, nice try, though. Your bus is at the Babble stop, now. MADem Jan 2014 #124

More Ad Hominen Attacks - The Logical Fallacies In Play Yet Again cantbeserious Jan 2014 #125

No--you're not making sense and I'm pointing it out. MADem Jan 2014 #127

You Are The One Using Ridicule As A Talking Point cantbeserious Jan 2014 #128

If you feel "ridiculed," perhaps you should re-evaluate your conversational strategy. MADem Jan 2014 #136

Your Truth And My Truth Diverge Sharply cantbeserious Jan 2014 #145

Yeah, sure, whatever you say, there, sport! nt MADem Jan 2014 #146

Ever More Ad Hominen By Way Of Denigrating Comments cantbeserious Jan 2014 #147

Whatever you say, sport! nt MADem Jan 2014 #148

Continued Ad Hominen With Denigrating Personal Comments cantbeserious Jan 2014 #149

Whatever you say, sport! MADem Jan 2014 #150

Ever More And Continued Denigration cantbeserious Jan 2014 #151

Look, I'm giving you attention--if you don't want it, you know what to do. MADem Jan 2014 #152

I Am Merely Responding To A Serial Poster cantbeserious Jan 2014 #153

No, you are seeking me out. You want attention from me. nt MADem Jan 2014 #154

Chuckles cantbeserious Jan 2014 #157

Here's some more attention for you. "eom" MADem Jan 2014 #160

Chuckles Again cantbeserious Jan 2014 #161

And more attention. "eom." MADem Jan 2014 #162

Where We Are Today - How We Got Here - Who Sold Us Out cantbeserious Jan 2014 #163

Has nothing to do with the OP, either. "eom" MADem Jan 2014 #164

Though You Needed Ever More Attention cantbeserious Jan 2014 #165

That would be you. nt MADem Jan 2014 #166

Seems To This One That You Keep Coming Back For More cantbeserious Jan 2014 #167

That would be you. "eom" MADem Jan 2014 #168

One Would Disagree - The Tables Are Turned - The Mirror Is Focused Your Way cantbeserious Jan 2014 #169

No, it's not. "eom" MADem Jan 2014 #170

I think you're thinking of the Financial Times Doctor_J Jan 2014 #42

Hitchens had no particularly consistent political views. Sometimes he called himself a Marxist, and struggle4progress Jan 2014 #48

I agree only if whoever OKed the spying is tried simultaneously Doctor_J Jan 2014 #13

This will be in some of the opening statements in Snowden's trial. There will be much more. Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #26

The Economist is a Right-wing, upper crust publication, geared toward the upwardly moneyed folks. RC Jan 2014 #33

It's a Libertarian "I got mine, Eff You" publication. Not "upper crust," though. MADem Jan 2014 #41

Great article treestar Jan 2014 #140