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27. You've got a couple of fundamental errors there.

Mon Dec 7, 2015, 03:42 PM

Dec 2015

If their only concern was gun mix ups, as you initially asserted, and in light of God's proclamation to always have a loaded gun on you, why wouldn't the rule be that all guns sold at the show must come loaded?

First, I never asserted that "their only concern was gun mix ups" -- their only concern is that accidents not occur. That's one way that accidents can occur, but it's not the only way.

Second, I don't know what "God's proclamation" you might be speaking of. I disavow that particular straw man. I do know that another cardinal rule of gun safety is to treat every gun as if it were loaded. That means not pulling the trigger when it's pointed at someone because you "thought it wasn't loaded."

Redundant layers of protection lead to safety: that's the goal. Usually, it's achievable. In this case an idiot, or multiple idiots, managed to defeat that goal.

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Gun nuts: Where logic takes a holiday and all rules of nature are meaningless! Initech Dec 2015 #4

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I think that's the point. Straw Man Dec 2015 #13

Who exactly is going to enforce these rules? world wide wally Dec 2015 #79

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I carry safely, causing harm to no one. AlbertCat Dec 2015 #26

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Weapon is a military term. Fake militia types use that gun or firearm term. MADem Dec 2015 #50

Right and wrong. Straw Man Dec 2015 #52

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Nope, no agenda there. Straw Man Dec 2015 #58

My agenda involves separating idiots from weapons. I think it's a good goal. nt MADem Dec 2015 #59

Your agenda seems to be separating EVERYONE from weapons. Straw Man Dec 2015 #62

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Who's pretending? They need to be limited and licensed. MADem Dec 2015 #95

You seem confused. Straw Man Dec 2015 #96

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Please explain this: Straw Man Dec 2015 #98

My response to you is the same I gave another: jonno99 Dec 2015 #55

Unnnnh...you're talking TO someone who has been in the military. MADem Dec 2015 #57

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Wrong again. Straw Man Dec 2015 #17

I'm not wrong. As you acknowledge, this was not a "I mixed up my gunz" shooting. SunSeeker Dec 2015 #23

You've got a couple of fundamental errors there. Straw Man Dec 2015 #27

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And gun controllers always resort to the "talking points" accusation ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #90

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