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In reply to the discussion: Pic Of The Moment: Gun Nut Logic [View all]Straw Man
(6,943 posts)123. What are YOU suggesting?
That this isn't the wild west. Period.
Are you claiming that armed self-defense never happens? The CDC begs to differ:
Guns are used for self-defense often and effectively. Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year
in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008, says the report. The three million figure is probably high, based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. But a much lower estimate of 108,000 also seems fishy, because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use. Furthermore, Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was 'used' by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/06/handguns_suicides_mass_shootings_deaths_and_self_defense_findings_from_a.html
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/06/handguns_suicides_mass_shootings_deaths_and_self_defense_findings_from_a.html
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good point ---repuke Congress supports open carry as long as it's not near them
wordpix
Dec 2015
#76
They only want to subject the majority (non-gun owners) to the dangers of their fetish.
onehandle
Dec 2015
#3
Like most things it is the "exceptions" that makes the news. My point stands. nt
jonno99
Dec 2015
#60
No, your "simple answer" is not the answer. This was not a "I mixed up my gunz" shooting.
SunSeeker
Dec 2015
#15
I'm not wrong. As you acknowledge, this was not a "I mixed up my gunz" shooting.
SunSeeker
Dec 2015
#23
Those are correct stats. That is why the NRA banned CDC research on gun violence.
SunSeeker
Dec 2015
#32
The US has a higher murder rate. Japan has a higher suicide rate. The point of my reply
jonno99
Dec 2015
#119
The thing is, we already have laws which prosecute "gross" & "criminal" negligence,
jonno99
Dec 2015
#81
There was a recent OP with a list of businesses gun nuts are supposed to 'boycott', because they're
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Dec 2015
#105