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7. No element of surprise. The attacker knows theres a gun present

Reply to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Sun Jul 2, 2017, 07:14 AM

Jul 2017

Very easy to get a desired outcome when you stack the deck. Why was everyone given such oversized shirts to wear? Because in the first example, the shirt gets in the way. So the gunholder is dead. Which he/she would be without the gun as well. At least the girl hit the shooter; and that location would likely put down an attacker.
The element of surprise is the biggest factor in stopping an attacker. Its removed in this scenario.
The element of surprise is present in many other cases. Here's one from just a couple months ago
http://myfox8.com/2017/03/18/surveillance-video-shows-bank-security-guard-killing-armed-robber-in-dramatic-gunfight/

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To show your friends who think they are safe carrying a gun. [View all] Maraya1969 Jul 2017 OP

K&R stonecutter357 Jul 2017 #1

Won't matter Cosmocat Jul 2017 #2

Common Sense thbobby Jul 2017 #6

Painful to live a country awash in stupid ... Cosmocat Jul 2017 #11

I call it the Too much TV syndrome azureblue Jul 2017 #42

I am more positive than you. I think that if a bunch of gun nuts were shown this Maraya1969 Jul 2017 #26

doubtful Cosmocat Jul 2017 #35

True, and azureblue Jul 2017 #44

Even some liberal gun owners think they're Rambo Warpy Jul 2017 #55

Idiots with guns thbobby Jul 2017 #3

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K&R genxlib Jul 2017 #5

Hey, they can't stop the professor from showing this video in his class. Maybe they all could show Maraya1969 Jul 2017 #27

No element of surprise. The attacker knows theres a gun present 7962 Jul 2017 #7

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #12

Yes, "surprised" being the operative word. Robber was certainly surprised. 7962 Jul 2017 #15

The concealed part of concealed carry also means that your gun is covered and may Dustlawyer Jul 2017 #14

Yes, usually your weapon would be covered; 7962 Jul 2017 #18

The element of surprise is not missing here and it is not missing in most mass shootings! Maraya1969 Jul 2017 #28

The cop enters the room knowing that 1-2 students are armed. HE cant be surprised 7962 Jul 2017 #47

You are better off to run zig zag then stand there as an open target shooting a gun Maraya1969 Jul 2017 #53

There were armed fools when Gabby Giffords was shot. A little elderly lady brought him down Hoyt Jul 2017 #29

Oh, i have no doubt about their inflated self opinions. "I would've ......". Yeah, they SAY that. 7962 Jul 2017 #48

thank you, Wyatt Earp paleotn Jul 2017 #38

yeah right azureblue Jul 2017 #43

You should listen to the video again. 7962 Jul 2017 #49

A trained security guard with experience is so different form just a guy with a gun. The Wielding Truth Jul 2017 #52

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Safety Training Jughead Jul 2017 #8

26 States Will Let You Carry a Concealed Gun Without Making Sure You Know How to Shoot One BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #20

I agree. 7962 Jul 2017 #50

So when you go buy your gun... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #9

People who are unfamiliar or uncomfortable w/using guns... Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #10

Even some people who are familiar and comfortable Rorey Jul 2017 #16

Yeah...particularly testosteron-y men. My gun is for defense, protection. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #21

I want you on my side. Rorey Jul 2017 #25

Excellent statement. And a voice of experience. 7962 Jul 2017 #51

It's becoming just another hobby BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #19

Yeah, I was raised around guns from an early age, but I grew up and Hoyt Jul 2017 #30

I wonder what would happen... paleotn Jul 2017 #39

I live alone, except for dogs (that WILL bark at the slightest noise). Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #45

Part two: CousinIT Jul 2017 #13

The scenario where the man killed his wife thinking she was an intruder happened Maraya1969 Jul 2017 #31

Barrel Strokers are just like Trump Voters HAB911 Jul 2017 #17

This is a simpler way to illustrate how safe you are with a gun. stevepal Jul 2017 #22

Yes, and George Zimmrtman's murder of Trayvon Martin was counted as a defensive gun use of all Hoyt Jul 2017 #32

The gun strokers can't understand why England, Australia and every other industrilized Maraya1969 Jul 2017 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author paleotn Jul 2017 #40

I will say this... if someone is going to carry a gun... Adrahil Jul 2017 #23

Most just want to know laws allowing them to kill and what to say Hoyt Jul 2017 #33

Constant Training Libertarian_4_life Jul 2017 #24

"Libertarian?" You sure you are on the right site? That does explain gun love. Hoyt Jul 2017 #36

Inclusive Libertarian_4_life Jul 2017 #41

Unless you practice in these type scenarios like the police your practice probably means nothing Maraya1969 Jul 2017 #37

Exactly. Plus, in most cases, a gunner has a gun to his head before he even knows something is Hoyt Jul 2017 #46

I would love to see how real cops perform. Mosby Jul 2017 #56

They can react but they shoot to kill in practically every situation like this Maraya1969 Jul 2017 #57

wow treestar Jul 2017 #58