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stockholmer

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5. A further boildown: It will be the big banks (who control ISDA) vs everybody else (pension funds,
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 03:55 PM
Jan 2012

hedge funds, other nation's, states, municipalities, etc etc).

If ISDA says a write down on Greek debt to 30% is NOT a default, then ALL the entities who purchased insurance (credit default swaps) on their investments in Greek bonds will be wiped out (just like MF Global was).

This will quickly spiral out of control, and hundreds of millions of people worldwide will be indirectly or directly affected. Imagine if your entire union or state pension fund is wiped out. Imagine if the broker who was all your IRA money is bankrupted, and then seizes your money, even though you never lost anything in the market.

If ISDA says it IS a default, the 5 big US banks will be crushed, and this will also trigger a spiral. They will literally go to war to blackmail the world for tens of trillions in bailouts.

It is a classic clusterfuck, and this is all based off a writedown in greek debt to 30%. I truly belive that by years end, there will be a 100% writedown by Greece, as they are already facing an ever-growing danger of looming civil war. The unemployent rate of 30 year olds and younger is over 50%.

And finally, it gets worse, as Portugal, Hungary, Ireland, and the bigger nightmares of Spain and Italy impending defaults loom ever closer.

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I would not mind seeing these banks go down the tubes tabatha Jan 2012 #1
Don't worry. Those banks won't go down until the day OffWithTheirHeads Jan 2012 #3
Gawd I hope Obama does not do something about this that would blow Nov. NAO Jan 2012 #2
What will happen? BlueToTheBone Jan 2012 #4
see my new boildown post below. Either way ISDA calls it, there will be huge ramifications, & Greece stockholmer Jan 2012 #8
Your analysis could use a bit of work jeff47 Jan 2012 #10
A further boildown: It will be the big banks (who control ISDA) vs everybody else (pension funds, stockholmer Jan 2012 #5
Reading some European blogs over the past several months, this is not a surprise really. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #6
Doesn't it have to be a forced 'haircut' Owlet Jan 2012 #7
the creditors (just about every conceivable type, including massive pension funds, etc) are balking stockholmer Jan 2012 #9
The quadrillion dollar question.... Cartaphelius Jan 2012 #11
yes, shred the derivatives, have a general debt jubilee,nationalize ALL the central banks, which are stockholmer Feb 2012 #12
amazing information and thank you xiamiam Feb 2012 #13
thanks so much for the kind words, Im just a student of what Peter Dale Scott calls 'deep politics' stockholmer Feb 2012 #16
tack sa mycket! Demeter Feb 2012 #15
varsågod! stockholmer Feb 2012 #17
Holy shit! Thank you Stockholmer. Well done. n/t Hotler Feb 2012 #14
Canada's National Bank PDJane Feb 2012 #18
What does it really mean for the guy on the street. Badsam Feb 2012 #19
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