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Sun Jul 27, 2014, 10:03 AM
Jul 2014

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Welcome to the Socialist Progressives Group. Posts in this group should generally be supportive of socialism and socialists. We are largely anti-capitalist and will not tolerate red-baiting. We welcome leftists of all persuasion as allowed per the admin's TOS. Democratic (ballot box) socialism, revolutionary socialism, Syndicalists and autonomists are all ok. Pure black flag (as opposed to red/black) anarchists who would rather organize with any anarchist than socialists, including anarcho-capitalists and libertarians, will not be welcome. If you don't know what kind of anarchist you are, cool, so long as you don't hijack and red-bait. This includes no "you're a dictator-lover" if you support the Russian Revolution. CPUSA members, please chime in.

Social Democrats are welcome with the explanation that if someone believes in "regulated" capitalism and social programs, they're a Keynesian, not a socialist. We welcome your questions as long as you're pleasant and don't red bait or shift the discussion away from socialism. You'll find many of us support Obama and his re-election given our two-party system, but this is not the forum to talk about the intricacies of elections - see the Politics forum for those conversations. We are more concerned with safe-guarding the working class gains we've made in this country thus far and encouraging the peaceful transition to socialism. Please no Trotsky or Stalin baiting, we've all seen it fracture groups and do not want to fight that battle again.

*** Updated 7/21/2014: We've been in this group for a couple of years now and we are excited to see the growth in readership. Please be aware, however, that this is a protected group. Our purpose is to view issues through a working class lens. As capitalism has become a global force we are in solidarity with workers worldwide. Expect that we will discuss the effects of capitalism on the working class in all areas - whether it agrees with the view of the current administration or not. Sometimes visitors to our group seem determined to contribute only because they feel the need to protect certain politicians or viewpoints. If you care to add a substantive and productive comment on the OPs here, in the spirit of our SOP, that kind of contribution is welcomed. Throw-away comments from newcomers who haven't posted in here before, especially of the "snark" variety, are not welcome and will not be tolerated. Either contribute in a positive way or you will be banned on either a temporary or permanent basis.

Dumb question: what's a Socialist? [View all] MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 OP
Black guy from Kenya? Scuba Jul 2014 #1
One who believes society is the greatest good. nt Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #2
But... wouldn't a Capitalist say that Capitalism is about the greatest good for Society? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #3
Capitalism is the philosophy that asserts: Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #5
I had no idea that Keynes was a fan of Voltaire. redruddyred Oct 2014 #60
And evidently, you are a fan of sarcasm. nt Xipe Totec Oct 2014 #62
no for reals. redruddyred Oct 2014 #63
You have me at a disadvantege, then. Please explain the Voltaire connection Xipe Totec Oct 2014 #64
"the best of all possible worlds" redruddyred Oct 2014 #65
Socialism has the focus on the General Welfare. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #27
It's whatever Rush Limbaugh doesn't like. Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #4
Then I am a PROUD Socialist, damn, you bet! MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #11
Well, the term "oxy-moron" Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #13
This is hidey-hole? Enthusiast Jul 2014 #28
I'm more of an anarchist as well - TBF Jul 2014 #19
I love how morons on the right conflate socialists with Nazis redruddyred Oct 2014 #61
Rather than "socialist person" or "socialist country", I think "socialist program". delrem Jul 2014 #6
I like the concept MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #8
Something like that. delrem Jul 2014 #10
OK, EarlG debunks your "right-wing is very strong" TBF Jul 2014 #57
I don't know if this will answer all of your questions, TexasTowelie Jul 2014 #7
LOL, this is the First-Way persona MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #9
Read the Communist Manifesto BainsBane Jul 2014 #12
I'll give it a whirl. MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #14
Here is the link - TBF Jul 2014 #18
Thanks, much appreciated! MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #20
That doesn't seem to reflect the contemporary understanding of the term. Jim Lane Jul 2014 #33
What part of "workers owning the means of production" TBF Jul 2014 #34
What part of "the contemporary understanding of the term" do you not understand? Jim Lane Jul 2014 #36
Your "contemporary understanding" of the term TBF Jul 2014 #37
OK, now you've completely lost me. Jim Lane Jul 2014 #39
You took my very basic definitions TBF Jul 2014 #43
More on the Commune - TBF Jul 2014 #54
wrong about rogerashton Jul 2014 #59
It's groundwork Scootaloo Jul 2014 #51
Sigh. nt TBF Jul 2014 #56
IMO the total elimination of capitalism is neither possible, nor a goal worth pursuing. nt delrem Jul 2014 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author TexasTowelie Jul 2014 #16
This was posted on DU before, but it contains some aspects of both socialism and communism in it. TexasTowelie Jul 2014 #17
You know the old saying: PETRUS Jul 2014 #21
Wiki did your hard work. easychoice Jul 2014 #22
I did read that before I posted MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #23
That graf looks good to me. Jim Lane Jul 2014 #38
All that means AFAIC, is that..... socialist_n_TN Jul 2014 #40
perhaps easier to say what it's not? And that is what we are living through/in. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2014 #24
Anyone barely left center-right now villager Jul 2014 #25
I have sorted it out. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #26
Not exactly - TBF Jul 2014 #31
Many of us would be satisfied with some reasonable oversight and regulation. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #42
I know what you're saying - TBF Jul 2014 #44
That's easy, a socialist is ... Kablooie Jul 2014 #29
Authorities rogerashton Jul 2014 #30
I always like your posts. ctsnowman Jul 2014 #32
Awww... Shucks... MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #46
Since this thread has made it to the greatest page TBF Jul 2014 #35
Sorry for the trouble! nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #47
No worries - TBF Jul 2014 #48
That's not really a dumb question, but it IS a very complex question... socialist_n_TN Jul 2014 #41
Not a dumb question. Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #45
I reduce it to "one who wants to eliminate private property." joshcryer Jul 2014 #49
As long as you explain the difference between private and personal TBF Jul 2014 #55
I don't initially. joshcryer Jul 2014 #58
Im a member of Socialist Alternative octoberlib Jul 2014 #50
The best understanding of Socialism comes from reading Marx and Engels. Oakenshield Jul 2014 #52
... TBF Jul 2014 #53
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