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In reply to the discussion: Dumb question: what's a Socialist? [View all]TBF
(32,056 posts)54. More on the Commune -
I've found the Marx paper for you that discussed the Paris Commune. It only lasted 2-3 months but the interesting thing is that Marx was thought to be one of the organizers behind the commune (he was in England at the time) so we see his direct work and writings about it (if you look closely at paragraph 3 I think you can read in that he might've favored "term limits" as some of you have spoke about within this thread!):
The direct antithesis to the empire was the Commune. The cry of social republic, with which the February Revolution was ushered in by the Paris proletariat, did but express a vague aspiration after a republic that was not only to supercede the monarchical form of class rule, but class rule itself. The Commune was the positive form of that republic.
Paris, the central seat of the old governmental power, and, at the same time, the social stronghold of the French working class, had risen in arms against the attempt of Thiers and the Rurals to restore and perpetuate that old governmental power bequeathed to them by the empire. Paris could resist only because, in consequence of the siege, it had got rid of the army, and replaced it by a National Guard, the bulk of which consisted of working men. This fact was now to be transformed into an institution. The first decree of the Commune, therefore, was the suppression of the standing army, and the substitution for it of the armed people.
The Commune was formed of the municipal councillors, chosen by universal suffrage in the various wards of the town, responsible and revocable at short terms. The majority of its members were naturally working men, or acknowledged representatives of the working class. The Commune was to be a working, not a parliamentary body, executive and legislative at the same time.
Paris, the central seat of the old governmental power, and, at the same time, the social stronghold of the French working class, had risen in arms against the attempt of Thiers and the Rurals to restore and perpetuate that old governmental power bequeathed to them by the empire. Paris could resist only because, in consequence of the siege, it had got rid of the army, and replaced it by a National Guard, the bulk of which consisted of working men. This fact was now to be transformed into an institution. The first decree of the Commune, therefore, was the suppression of the standing army, and the substitution for it of the armed people.
The Commune was formed of the municipal councillors, chosen by universal suffrage in the various wards of the town, responsible and revocable at short terms. The majority of its members were naturally working men, or acknowledged representatives of the working class. The Commune was to be a working, not a parliamentary body, executive and legislative at the same time.
Source: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1871/civil-war-france/ch05.htm
Marx quote on the commune -
But Marx celebrated the rising. For the International Workingmen's association (the First International) he wrote:
Workingmen's Paris, with its Commune, will be forever celebrated as the glorious harbinger of a new society. Its martyrs are enshrined in the great heart of the working class
Workingmen's Paris, with its Commune, will be forever celebrated as the glorious harbinger of a new society. Its martyrs are enshrined in the great heart of the working class
http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/karl_marx1871.htm
Some commentary on the importance of the Commune: The Paris Commune of 1871
Written by Greg Oxley Wednesday, 16 May 2001
The Paris Commune of 1871 was one of the greatest and most inspiring episodes in the history of the working class. In a tremendous revolutionary movement, the working people of Paris replaced the capitalist state with their own organs of government and held political power until their downfall in the last week of May. The Parisian workers strove, in extremely difficult circumstances, to put an end to exploitation and oppression, and to reorganise society on an entirely new foundation. 130 years later the lessons of these events are of fundamental importance for socialists today.
The Paris Commune of 1871 was one of the greatest and most inspiring episodes in the history of the working class. In a tremendous revolutionary movement, the working people of Paris replaced the capitalist state with their own organs of government and held political power until their downfall in the last week of May. The Parisian workers strove, in extremely difficult circumstances, to put an end to exploitation and oppression, and to reorganise society on an entirely new foundation. The lessons of these events are of fundamental importance for socialists today.
Source: http://www.marxist.com/paris-commune-of-1871.htm
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But... wouldn't a Capitalist say that Capitalism is about the greatest good for Society?
MannyGoldstein
Jul 2014
#3
Rather than "socialist person" or "socialist country", I think "socialist program".
delrem
Jul 2014
#6
What part of "the contemporary understanding of the term" do you not understand?
Jim Lane
Jul 2014
#36
IMO the total elimination of capitalism is neither possible, nor a goal worth pursuing. nt
delrem
Jul 2014
#15
This was posted on DU before, but it contains some aspects of both socialism and communism in it.
TexasTowelie
Jul 2014
#17
perhaps easier to say what it's not? And that is what we are living through/in.
NRaleighLiberal
Jul 2014
#24
Many of us would be satisfied with some reasonable oversight and regulation.
Enthusiast
Jul 2014
#42