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54. More on the Commune -
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 07:41 AM
Jul 2014

I've found the Marx paper for you that discussed the Paris Commune. It only lasted 2-3 months but the interesting thing is that Marx was thought to be one of the organizers behind the commune (he was in England at the time) so we see his direct work and writings about it (if you look closely at paragraph 3 I think you can read in that he might've favored "term limits" as some of you have spoke about within this thread!):

The direct antithesis to the empire was the Commune. The cry of “social republic,” with which the February Revolution was ushered in by the Paris proletariat, did but express a vague aspiration after a republic that was not only to supercede the monarchical form of class rule, but class rule itself. The Commune was the positive form of that republic.

Paris, the central seat of the old governmental power, and, at the same time, the social stronghold of the French working class, had risen in arms against the attempt of Thiers and the Rurals to restore and perpetuate that old governmental power bequeathed to them by the empire. Paris could resist only because, in consequence of the siege, it had got rid of the army, and replaced it by a National Guard, the bulk of which consisted of working men. This fact was now to be transformed into an institution. The first decree of the Commune, therefore, was the suppression of the standing army, and the substitution for it of the armed people.

The Commune was formed of the municipal councillors, chosen by universal suffrage in the various wards of the town, responsible and revocable at short terms. The majority of its members were naturally working men, or acknowledged representatives of the working class. The Commune was to be a working, not a parliamentary body, executive and legislative at the same time.

Source: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1871/civil-war-france/ch05.htm


Marx quote on the commune -

But Marx celebrated the rising. For the International Workingmen's association (the First International) he wrote:

Workingmen's Paris, with its Commune, will be forever celebrated as the glorious harbinger of a new society. Its martyrs are enshrined in the great heart of the working class

http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/karl_marx1871.htm


Some commentary on the importance of the Commune: The Paris Commune of 1871

Written by Greg Oxley Wednesday, 16 May 2001

The Paris Commune of 1871 was one of the greatest and most inspiring episodes in the history of the working class. In a tremendous revolutionary movement, the working people of Paris replaced the capitalist state with their own organs of government and held political power until their downfall in the last week of May. The Parisian workers strove, in extremely difficult circumstances, to put an end to exploitation and oppression, and to reorganise society on an entirely new foundation. 130 years later the lessons of these events are of fundamental importance for socialists today.

The Paris Commune of 1871 was one of the greatest and most inspiring episodes in the history of the working class. In a tremendous revolutionary movement, the working people of Paris replaced the capitalist state with their own organs of government and held political power until their downfall in the last week of May. The Parisian workers strove, in extremely difficult circumstances, to put an end to exploitation and oppression, and to reorganise society on an entirely new foundation. The lessons of these events are of fundamental importance for socialists today.

Source: http://www.marxist.com/paris-commune-of-1871.htm
Dumb question: what's a Socialist? [View all] MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 OP
Black guy from Kenya? Scuba Jul 2014 #1
One who believes society is the greatest good. nt Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #2
But... wouldn't a Capitalist say that Capitalism is about the greatest good for Society? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #3
Capitalism is the philosophy that asserts: Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #5
I had no idea that Keynes was a fan of Voltaire. redruddyred Oct 2014 #60
And evidently, you are a fan of sarcasm. nt Xipe Totec Oct 2014 #62
no for reals. redruddyred Oct 2014 #63
You have me at a disadvantege, then. Please explain the Voltaire connection Xipe Totec Oct 2014 #64
"the best of all possible worlds" redruddyred Oct 2014 #65
Socialism has the focus on the General Welfare. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #27
It's whatever Rush Limbaugh doesn't like. Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #4
Then I am a PROUD Socialist, damn, you bet! MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #11
Well, the term "oxy-moron" Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #13
This is hidey-hole? Enthusiast Jul 2014 #28
I'm more of an anarchist as well - TBF Jul 2014 #19
I love how morons on the right conflate socialists with Nazis redruddyred Oct 2014 #61
Rather than "socialist person" or "socialist country", I think "socialist program". delrem Jul 2014 #6
I like the concept MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #8
Something like that. delrem Jul 2014 #10
OK, EarlG debunks your "right-wing is very strong" TBF Jul 2014 #57
I don't know if this will answer all of your questions, TexasTowelie Jul 2014 #7
LOL, this is the First-Way persona MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #9
Read the Communist Manifesto BainsBane Jul 2014 #12
I'll give it a whirl. MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #14
Here is the link - TBF Jul 2014 #18
Thanks, much appreciated! MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #20
That doesn't seem to reflect the contemporary understanding of the term. Jim Lane Jul 2014 #33
What part of "workers owning the means of production" TBF Jul 2014 #34
What part of "the contemporary understanding of the term" do you not understand? Jim Lane Jul 2014 #36
Your "contemporary understanding" of the term TBF Jul 2014 #37
OK, now you've completely lost me. Jim Lane Jul 2014 #39
You took my very basic definitions TBF Jul 2014 #43
More on the Commune - TBF Jul 2014 #54
wrong about rogerashton Jul 2014 #59
It's groundwork Scootaloo Jul 2014 #51
Sigh. nt TBF Jul 2014 #56
IMO the total elimination of capitalism is neither possible, nor a goal worth pursuing. nt delrem Jul 2014 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author TexasTowelie Jul 2014 #16
This was posted on DU before, but it contains some aspects of both socialism and communism in it. TexasTowelie Jul 2014 #17
You know the old saying: PETRUS Jul 2014 #21
Wiki did your hard work. easychoice Jul 2014 #22
I did read that before I posted MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #23
That graf looks good to me. Jim Lane Jul 2014 #38
All that means AFAIC, is that..... socialist_n_TN Jul 2014 #40
perhaps easier to say what it's not? And that is what we are living through/in. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2014 #24
Anyone barely left center-right now villager Jul 2014 #25
I have sorted it out. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #26
Not exactly - TBF Jul 2014 #31
Many of us would be satisfied with some reasonable oversight and regulation. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #42
I know what you're saying - TBF Jul 2014 #44
That's easy, a socialist is ... Kablooie Jul 2014 #29
Authorities rogerashton Jul 2014 #30
I always like your posts. ctsnowman Jul 2014 #32
Awww... Shucks... MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #46
Since this thread has made it to the greatest page TBF Jul 2014 #35
Sorry for the trouble! nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #47
No worries - TBF Jul 2014 #48
That's not really a dumb question, but it IS a very complex question... socialist_n_TN Jul 2014 #41
Not a dumb question. Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #45
I reduce it to "one who wants to eliminate private property." joshcryer Jul 2014 #49
As long as you explain the difference between private and personal TBF Jul 2014 #55
I don't initially. joshcryer Jul 2014 #58
Im a member of Socialist Alternative octoberlib Jul 2014 #50
The best understanding of Socialism comes from reading Marx and Engels. Oakenshield Jul 2014 #52
... TBF Jul 2014 #53
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