You know what's really lousy about the climate here on DU?

[Stand and Fight]

5. I disagree. That's been tried time-and-time again with them.

Let me be clear -- I'm not speaking of all of Sanders supporters. Just the VERY VOCAL, VERY LOUD, and VERY RUDE portion. I won't even go as far as saying that the latter is a minority, because when I look at things here and elsewhere, they're the majority. You can see it in online supporters like The Young Turks as well. Their response is always to belittle and attack Hillary and her supporters. Our being civil and trying to discuss things with them has zero effect. Even if you try to point out the things you like about Bernie, they still accuse you of having ulterior motives.

I'm not interested in making nice with them. I've tried it and they were nothing short of vapid in their responses. It stems from Bernie Sanders as well. You've only to look at his demands for how he would endorse Hillary Clinton to see it stems from the top. This reminds me of Obama spending time trying to work with the GOP and compromise on things like healthcare reform and what did we get? Healthcare reform that's really just RomneyCare on the national level. Saying that we should essentially do the same thing with people who have accused Hillary Clinton of cheating, lying, murdering, participating in genocide, being in the pockets of Wall Street, not being a true progressive... You want to make nice with that? Not me. Nope, nope, nope.

They need to make the first move at achieving unity by showing that they've changed. How often did we post things at the start of the primary season that were complimentary about Bernie Sanders and they shouted us down. As a Black man, I am more offended than ever by them saying that they -- largely White liberals -- know better than me what's best for me. I've got more thoughts on this that I could flesh out and while I could go on and on, it really just boils down to what I've said above.

I haven't moved right at all. I don't believe that the way Bernie wants to implement those things are workable or realistic by the way. I do think they're good things that we should strive for, but before we do that, we need to do what Hillary Clinton and others have suggested -- GET A MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE. Until we do that, we will get no where fast.

So, no thank you...