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Buzz cook

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37. Not hard to believe. Once Bernie claimed the ideological purity ground.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:40 AM
Mar 2016

We all want unicorns to be true.

Pointing out that the boring one is a better and smarter candidate than the unicorn salesman makes it look like you're criticizing unicorns.
This is similar to Bradly vs Gore in 2000. Bradly offered an unworkable but nice sounding health care promise. When Gore pointed out it was unrealistic, Gore was criticized.

On a personal level: people are lazy, we too often fall into ready made rhetoric rather than working out our own arguments. I've seen this happen with supporters of Palestinian rights using anti-Semitic rhetoric and now with Bernie supporters using racist rhetoric. I don't believe either camp is anti Semitic or racist, it's just easier to use pre made arguments.

The same is true for many Hillary supporters, sad to say. We fall into right wing rhetoric because its easier.

One avenue of argument I don't see from my fellow Hillary supporters is agreement. Yes single payer is nice but you know who would be great to get a public option? Hillary Clinton.

And if you want to go there you could attack Sanders supporters from the left. Single payer is a half way position, a national healthcare system is the way to go. Many of Sanders positions are not truly leftist anywhere, except America.

Finally you could just not argue. Research Clinton's positions and make a positive case for them. Probably not hard to do.

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And, this attitude we see here is evidently similar OUT THERE! Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #1
I think I've moved a bit right Treant Mar 2016 #2
I was leaning for Bernie now im not so sure MattP Mar 2016 #3
I'm sorry that happened to you. KitSileya Mar 2016 #38
K&R TheDormouse Mar 2016 #4
I disagree. That's been tried time-and-time again with them. Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #5
I remain a Liberal Democrat man of few w Mar 2016 #16
Holding steady and being rational is NOT "being pushed to the right." Hekate Mar 2016 #6
Thank you. Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #7
Democrats usually try to bring people into agreement SharonClark Mar 2016 #17
Agreed on all points. n/t Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #20
I believe in HRC!! Her Sister Mar 2016 #8
Great post romana Mar 2016 #9
In 2008 I voted for HRC from overseas! Her Sister Mar 2016 #10
I agree totally with this post... samrock Mar 2016 #11
I'm still quite solidly to the left Lucinda Mar 2016 #12
perfectly stated! Her Sister Mar 2016 #18
Many of us want to get to the same destination. The debate is what path we take. Kaleva Mar 2016 #13
So many thoughtful posts here. LisaM Mar 2016 #14
At this point in the game, the Followers or Bernie aren't pushing.... Walk away Mar 2016 #15
I've not moved kjones Mar 2016 #19
It is hard for me to talk to Coolest Ranger Mar 2016 #21
My sister a Republican will be voting for HRC Her Sister Mar 2016 #22
Bernie or bust people must have nothing at stake Politicub Mar 2016 #24
The AA forum has been accused of all kinds of stuff by these people, and this is even AFTER Number23 Mar 2016 #42
I woke up this morning to an email saying one of my posts was hidden Politicub Mar 2016 #23
LOL! Cha Mar 2016 #25
Yes I agree with Cha Coolest Ranger Mar 2016 #26
How do you alert on a jury? Politicub Mar 2016 #32
In your e-mail Coolest Ranger Mar 2016 #35
Actually many are pushing riversedge Mar 2016 #27
Saint Birdie Sanders Koinos Mar 2016 #31
people get overheated creon Mar 2016 #28
It's not free stuff. raging moderate Mar 2016 #29
Paragraph breaks will make your copy more legible Politicub Mar 2016 #33
I guess I have read too much from Adam Smith. Or John Stuart Mill. raging moderate Mar 2016 #39
Actually there are a number of very valid communication techniques to handle this ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #30
Many Sanders supporters wouldn't make very good salesmen. Koinos Mar 2016 #34
It is more than civility and incivility pandr32 Mar 2016 #36
Not hard to believe. Once Bernie claimed the ideological purity ground. Buzz cook Mar 2016 #37
The moment BS claimed the purity ground Her Sister Mar 2016 #40
I've lurched a little right (in execution)... SaschaHM Mar 2016 #41
I'm for Sanders for president. Eko Mar 2016 #43
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