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Demeter

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34. Corporations Dodge LIBOR Scandal Bullet: It’s banks and hedge funds that look like the losers.
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 07:12 AM
Jul 2012
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In the wake of the ongoing LIBOR scandal, corporations looking to fruitfully sue Barclays or any other bank on the basis of ill-gotten gain may find it hard to make a convincing case.

In the words of a knowledgeable treasury expert who spoke on condition of anonymity, “We have struggled to find who the net losers are, apart from the banks themselves, and maybe some hedge funds.”

Between 2007 and 2009, Barclays (and perhaps other banks) deliberately submitted low interbank interest-rate data to the British Bankers’ Assn. (BBA), which calculates the London interbank offered rate (LIBOR). For the following reasons, it is difficult to see how corporates could have suffered as a result.

• LIBOR is not used for wholesale deposit rates: the rate paid is negotiated directly with the bank or through a broker. The rate the bank agrees to will be a blended rate, taking into account several factors of which LIBOR may be just one. Any mispricing of LIBOR could not have had anything but a very negligible impact, if any, on the agreed deposit rate.

• Commercial-property mortgages tied to LIBOR would have been cheaper, not more expensive, as a result of the manipulation.

• Corporates that issued fixed-rate bonds and then swapped back into floating rates would have received “fixed” and paid “LIBOR,” which has been understated: again, that is to the benefit of the corporate.

• A corporate swapping “floating” for “fixed” debt would be paying floating rates on its borrowing, receiving floating on the swap, and then paying a fixed rate. It’s therefore both receiving and paying understated LIBOR-related rates: a net neutral.

“If you work through all these swaps, it’s very hard to figure out who is losing apart from the banks. You’ve really got to put your thinking cap on to think of a circumstance which might possibly give rise to a cost,” the treasury expert said. “If you were running a purely speculative swap portfolio, you might be able to construct something in which you lost out, but that’s not what corporates do. It might be what hedge funds do, however.”...MORE
ONE BANK DOWN Demeter Jul 2012 #1
ONE BANK THAT DIDN'T GO DOWN...JPMORGAN Demeter Jul 2012 #2
JP Morgan's trades losses are backed by the FDIC MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #4
You're kidding! Do you have a link? Demeter Jul 2012 #9
There is no link because it ain't quite true n/t Po_d Mainiac Jul 2012 #12
Sure MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #15
I do remember reading BoA doing this DemReadingDU Jul 2012 #27
IT'S COMIC, ISN'T IT? Demeter Jul 2012 #41
New York Fed Was Aware of False Reporting on Rates (LIBOR) Demeter Jul 2012 #3
Calculated Deal in a Rate-Rigging Inquiry Demeter Jul 2012 #6
BUT WAIT, IT JUST GETS BETTER Demeter Jul 2012 #7
New Fraud Inquiry as JPMorgan’s Loss Mounts Demeter Jul 2012 #8
Follow-On Civil Litigation Emerges as LIBOR Scandal Continues to Unfold Demeter Jul 2012 #16
Barclays flagged Libor problems to Fed in 2007 Demeter Jul 2012 #11
Fed's Lacker: Libor scandal hurting confidence Demeter Jul 2012 #13
So How Much Did the Banksters Make on Libor-Related Ill-Gotten Gains? Demeter Jul 2012 #21
Corporations Dodge LIBOR Scandal Bullet: It’s banks and hedge funds that look like the losers. Demeter Jul 2012 #34
Unfortunately, they're probabaly right that it'll take a long time to sort out the consequences; but snot Jul 2012 #59
We need another FDR MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #5
Mittler? Fuddnik Jul 2012 #22
Worse? Po_d Mainiac Jul 2012 #24
Visa rises, J.P. Morgan slips after hours Demeter Jul 2012 #10
Euro tumbles as Asian funds shun EU chaos By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard Demeter Jul 2012 #14
Barclays' Diamond turns to top lawyer for Libor scandal Demeter Jul 2012 #17
Bank said to mislead on mortgage buybacks, links to MERS Po_d Mainiac Jul 2012 #18
City Bankruptcy Could Raise Hurdles for Mortgage Seizure Plan Demeter Jul 2012 #19
Picking On the Job Creators Demeter Jul 2012 #20
Poor Sales, Not High Wages, Worry Small Businesses By Eric Hoyt Demeter Jul 2012 #33
America’s Broken Jobs Engine Demeter Jul 2012 #38
Are the Mice Starting to Roar? Municipalities Turn Defiant with Wall Street Demeter Jul 2012 #23
Franklin D. Roosevelt Demeter Jul 2012 #25
ANCESTRY AND YOUTH Demeter Jul 2012 #26
COLLEGE AND ADULTHOOD Demeter Jul 2012 #28
FAMILY LIFE Demeter Jul 2012 #29
How Out-of-Control Credit Markets Threaten Liberty, Democracy and Economic Security By Ed Harrison Demeter Jul 2012 #30
FROM THE COMMENTS Demeter Jul 2012 #31
The Great Capitalist Heist: How Paris Hilton’s Dogs Ended Up Better Off Than You Demeter Jul 2012 #35
Another "this should be a separate thread", and what of the outcome for this repeat? I'd love to mother earth Jul 2012 #39
Who’s Very Important? By PAUL KRUGMAN Demeter Jul 2012 #32
Not you, Paulie. Not you. n/t Tansy_Gold Jul 2012 #46
Once again, K & R! Every DU'er should be reading these threads. No, make mother earth Jul 2012 #36
U.S. home foreclosure filings rise Demeter Jul 2012 #37
Demeter, thank you, as usual, great job. mother earth Jul 2012 #40
Thanks for dropping in! Demeter Jul 2012 #42
it's saturday -- so party at fuddniks! xchrom Jul 2012 #43
WE. HAVE. RAIN. Tansy_Gold Jul 2012 #47
one of my most favorite memories i'll ever have is the AZ desert after a rain. xchrom Jul 2012 #48
Yes. Those who have been here and seen it know. Tansy_Gold Jul 2012 #53
Deutsche Bank's 'Rule Of 10%' Gives New Perspective On Weak Jobless Claims xchrom Jul 2012 #44
Troika Report On The 'Awful' Situation In Greece Leaks Early xchrom Jul 2012 #45
JPMorgan's loss from trading blunder could widen to $7.5 billion xchrom Jul 2012 #49
S&P puts Compton bonds on credit watch xchrom Jul 2012 #50
U.S. travel and tourism on pace to set spending record xchrom Jul 2012 #51
My mother is what I call a "Roosevelt Democrat" bread_and_roses Jul 2012 #52
Judge halts 'debtors prison' by Harpersville, city court, calls it 'judicially sanctioned extortion' Demeter Jul 2012 #54
anyone have a link handy on the Banksters and Greece? bread_and_roses Jul 2012 #55
A lot of people had their fingers in that pie Demeter Jul 2012 #56
Thanks, Demeter - and I found a couple too - bread_and_roses Jul 2012 #58
I Overdid It Yesterday Demeter Jul 2012 #57
Romney 'Retired Retroactively' from Bain DemReadingDU Jul 2012 #60
Bain seems to be acting like he retire radioactively. Fuddnik Jul 2012 #61
This whole campaign has been a comedy of errors Demeter Jul 2012 #62
The way he's imploding, I don't think he'll make it to the convention. Fuddnik Jul 2012 #63
That would be too unique, even for america Demeter Jul 2012 #64
Mittens has Bain Po_d Mainiac Jul 2012 #67
I have had a evolving theory... kickysnana Jul 2012 #68
I'm too pooped to post, sorry folks Demeter Jul 2012 #65
You've done your share and then some bread_and_roses Jul 2012 #66
+1 kickysnana Jul 2012 #69
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