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Demeter

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62. I have reflected on this coming apocalypse from an engineering/education perspective
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 02:12 PM
Oct 2014

"Appropriate Technology" was the geeky side of the Green Movement: meaning, use the lowest quality materials and power possible for the job. Don't split the atoms to boil water to turn a turbine....go to hydro, wind, tides, solar. Don't chop down redwoods to make toothpicks, and more notions of that nature.

But if the premise that the End of WWII didn't solve a thing (which the Cold War, Vietnam, Reagan's little escapades, W's big ones, and Obama's foot-dragging have shown), then it's not a question of appropriate, any more. The question has dropped back several centuries to "SUSTAINABLE TECHNOLOGY", in other words, everything that people knew before the Industrial Revolution, plus whatever we can keep alive from technological advances since then.

IF we are clever, and put an absolute ban on warfare of any kind, including economic (which refers to both the USA, China, AND the Pope and Fundies of all stripes that strive to prevent family planning), we might be able to sustain our technology for the foreseeable future.

Since that's not likely to happen, we need to take inventory.

WHICH technologies are sustainable at the 17th century level of civilization?
WHICH technologies might we convert to 17th century sustainability?
HOW do we keep the information gained in the past 250 years from being forgotten, misunderstood, or misapplied (again)?


Think of the areas of expertise we have to consider:

AGRICULTURE: good agricultural practices ended with the Industrial Revolution in large part, as farms turned into factories and eating local became a sign of backwardness. There's a lot of this that has to be re-applied, restored, renovated.

TRANSPORTATION:
without transportation, the world shrinks to a day's travel on foot.
Modes of travel:

Foot & Swimming
Wheeled carts/ chariots / carriages / Draft animals
Sailboats / Wind-driven prairie wagons
Bicycles and other human-enhancing mechanics / Rowboats, paddle wheels

and already we are reaching into manufacturing technologies that aren't sustainable:

Flywheel-driven or enhanced / solar powered / steam driven mass transit / bio-diesel

Forget air travel, space travel, anything "wasteful". Manufacturing will have to scale down to the area in which it can be utilized. No sending coals to Newcastle, nor cheddar to Vermont. Making sensible choices will put most of our Useless Eaters/Obscenely Wealthy out of power, if there are any not hanging from lampposts.

MEDICINE: Just as the technology and the basic research is starting to catch up with the complexity of the human animal, we are in danger of reverting to cowpox inoculations. This just makes me mad. So little of the past 100 years of medical development will be sustainable through a hard collapse.

CLOTHING, SHELTER: Some rudimentary knowledge persists, and some skilled practitioners of ancient crafts. Insulation and passive solar design are the things we most need to keep current. Fashion will yield to practicality and warmth.

POWER: If the effort starts now, we might be able to keep solar, wind and water at modern levels of efficiency, which would make it possible to sustain our technology level. If not, say goodbye to:

COMMUNICATION: Quills and rust-based ink, anyone? Maybe the hand-operated printing press can be revived. Goodbye, Internet! It was nice knowing you.

MATERIALS SCIENCE: The biggest strides in technology have their roots in innovations in materials science: turning raw, unprocessed materials into something more useful: integrated circuits, super-conducting metals, plastics, graphene, buckyballs. Even anodizing requires power. Without the refined materials, technology isn't possible, no matter what Gilligan's Island portrayed.

THE GEEKS ARE GOING TO NEED HELP. NOBODY EVER WANTS TO HELP THEM, EITHER.

Geeks only get rewards when they invent cheaper ways to kill more people, thereby boosting profits for the profiteers. Geeks need peace, communications, refined materials, education and power.

Otherwise, as Spock said, it's back to the stone knives and bearskins. Except there won't be many bears.

Oh, wait, my sister's got a bear in her bird feeder, in a Mass. suburb...maybe the wildlife will come back in force!



AND ANOTHER BANK BITES THE DUST! SECOND WEEKEND IN A ROW Demeter Oct 2014 #1
A test for the next banking crisis: Eurozone TBTFs to eliminate competitors Demeter Oct 2014 #2
How to Start a War and Lose An Empire By Dmitry Orlov FOR MATTSH Demeter Oct 2014 #3
There are some real gems in that .... bread_and_roses Oct 2014 #15
Thanks for that Demeter... MattSh Oct 2014 #38
ALICE IN WONDERLAND Demeter Oct 2014 #4
MARK FIORE BACK FROM HIATUS Demeter Oct 2014 #5
Marty McFly's hoverboard is finally real, and it's on Kickstarter right now Demeter Oct 2014 #6
Sorry, my body went into Reset mode, and I must catch some zzzzz's Demeter Oct 2014 #7
That was a very good podcast DemReadingDU Oct 2014 #8
Musical interlude: Loretta Lynn -- "The Pill" antigop Oct 2014 #9
I guess an idea hits the mainstream when a country music ballad is written about it Demeter Oct 2014 #25
And the Republican/Tea Party response: MattSh Oct 2014 #51
Gas Prices Crewleader Oct 2014 #10
The Saudi oil war against Russia, Iran and the US — Pepe Escobar MattSh Oct 2014 #50
The Bidding For The 2022 Olympics Is A Disaster, And The $51-Billion Sochi Games Is Getting The Blam xchrom Oct 2014 #11
so put an end to the "Olympics Games" as competitive sport Demeter Oct 2014 #16
"Democratically elected government" meaning, in this case... MattSh Oct 2014 #18
Some MBAs Are Now Making $185,000 Right Out Of School xchrom Oct 2014 #12
And what do they have to do, for that kind of money? Demeter Oct 2014 #17
Be related to a bankster or politican, at home or abroad (like China) Demeter Oct 2014 #60
The Failure Of A Major Mission In Afghanistan In Two Charts xchrom Oct 2014 #13
The 1% Got Hosed Last Year xchrom Oct 2014 #14
YEAH? WELL, THEY CAN AFFORD IT Demeter Oct 2014 #20
Pill Team #1: Margaret Sanger THE POLITICAL ACTIVIST OF THE TEAM Demeter Oct 2014 #19
Pill Team #2 Katherine McCormick THE FINANCIER AND ACTIVIST Demeter Oct 2014 #21
Pill Team #3 Gregory Goodwin Pincus THE INVENTOR Demeter Oct 2014 #22
Pill Team #4 John Rock, MD, THE CLINICIAN Demeter Oct 2014 #23
Pill Team #5: G. D. Searle & Company THE CORPORATION Demeter Oct 2014 #24
TRULY DREARY SONG ON BIRTH CONTROL FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES Demeter Oct 2014 #26
THERE'S A GERMAN ROCK/JAZZ BAND CALLED BIRTH CONTROL? Demeter Oct 2014 #27
JPMADOFF--THE BOOK (EXCERPTS) Demeter Oct 2014 #28
EU fines JPMorgan, UBS, Credit Suisse for taking part in cartels Demeter Oct 2014 #41
Fed spotted JPMorgan 'Whale' risks years before scandal: inspector Demeter Oct 2014 #42
Fannie Mae settles shareholder lawsuit for $170 million Demeter Oct 2014 #29
I am greatly enjoying this first day of (relative) freedom Demeter Oct 2014 #30
Congrats, Demeter! Hope you enjoy your new life. nt antigop Oct 2014 #32
So far, so good! Demeter Oct 2014 #33
Deutsche Bank lawyer found dead in apparent NY suicide: WSJ / YET ANOTHER! Demeter Oct 2014 #31
more from Zerohedge DemReadingDU Oct 2014 #43
It really sounds like a Mafia hit, doesn't it? Demeter Oct 2014 #44
Wow! That is a juicy tidbit. n/t Hotler Oct 2014 #68
Paul Krugman, In 2 Minutes, Destroys The Argument That We Can't Pay Fast-Food Workers BETTER Demeter Oct 2014 #34
Amazon’s Monopsony Is Not O.K. PAUL KRUGMAN Demeter Oct 2014 #35
What You Need To Know About Massive Air Bag Recall Demeter Oct 2014 #36
12 Charts That Show The Permanent Damage That Has Been Done To The U.S. Economy MattSh Oct 2014 #37
Something from Saker's blog... MattSh Oct 2014 #39
Obama Grow a Spine? Demeter Oct 2014 #40
hell, Demeter - we ought to form our own chorus & sing it too bread_and_roses Oct 2014 #48
Why sending weapons to Ukraine would be a terrible idea for the US Michael Kofman Demeter Oct 2014 #63
Top Ebola Scientists: Ebola More Likely to Spread by Aerosol In Cold, Dry Conditions than Hot, Humid Demeter Oct 2014 #45
Jamie Dimon: U.S. Must Create a “Safe Harbor” Where JPM’s Corruption Is Not “Punished” antigop Oct 2014 #46
The Pope: “Corruption Is a Greater Evil than Sin” Demeter Oct 2014 #47
We had our Halloween Party this afternoon Demeter Oct 2014 #49
Canada, At War For 13 Years, Shocked That ‘A Terrorist’ Attacked Its Soldiers bread_and_roses Oct 2014 #52
Righteous Indignation (and Uncontrolled Panic) from the "Droning" Western World Demeter Oct 2014 #54
25 Banks Just Failed Europe's Biggest Ever Health Tests xchrom Oct 2014 #53
No surprises there, except that they admitted it Demeter Oct 2014 #55
Six-Pound Gold Nugget Discovered In Northern California Sells For ~$400,000 xchrom Oct 2014 #56
ASSUMING 100 OUNCES IN NUGGET Demeter Oct 2014 #59
A Pink Slip for the Progress Fairy by John Michael Greer MUST READ! Demeter Oct 2014 #57
HIS GRIM FUTURE HISTORY REPORT Demeter Oct 2014 #58
This parallels my musings .... and highlights why I thought this (different article) was so idiotic bread_and_roses Oct 2014 #61
I have reflected on this coming apocalypse from an engineering/education perspective Demeter Oct 2014 #62
I have been thinking along these lines too ... bread_and_roses Oct 2014 #64
I used to read JMG DemReadingDU Oct 2014 #66
Musical Interlude hamerfan Oct 2014 #65
Excellent selection...you get the last word! Demeter Oct 2014 #67
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