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22. Nuclear costs have gone way up in France since France built its system

Tue Feb 16, 2021, 01:22 PM

Feb 2021

But then there's "this and now" isn't there?

That's right. Back in the mid 70's, in the U.S., nuclear was breaking a million$ a MW. Now its $12 million a MW. Inflation has increased by factor of about 4.8 (CPI-U July 1975 to Jan 2021), so that's a 2.5-fold after-inflation increase.

Edited to add: France is having its problems too with skyrocketing costs - it's not just the U.S. E.g. Flamanville and Hinkley Point C (being constructed by EDF)

And then for the countries that are growing their carbon emissions fastest - not an easy sell for countries where most live on a few dollars a day. I imagine they will continue to burn cow dung and make do with jury-rigged diesel generators. But the sacrifice must be made.

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Bill Gates on 60 Minutes just now. [View all] c-rational Feb 2021 OP

OK, then how do we deal with nuclear waste? SharonAnn Feb 2021 #1

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Recycle as much as you currently can like France Freethinker65 Feb 2021 #3

If we keep going as we are now carbon will cause cataclysmic human carnage. This from c-rational Feb 2021 #5

Latest number on air pollution: 8.7 Million deaths in 2018 progree Feb 2021 #9

Bill Gates also believes in school privatization Merlot Feb 2021 #4

I agree on both counts - school privatization is a bad idea, not just poor, and wealth does not c-rational Feb 2021 #6

His false assertions regarding schools also don't make his assertions about energy false nt Shermann Feb 2021 #7

Global warming might kill billions, nukes might help. Do it. Cicada Feb 2021 #8

And here's the video from 60 Minutes: Rhiannon12866 Feb 2021 #10

And the transcript plus. Warning: the "so-called renewable" energy haters won't like this. progree Feb 2021 #11

If I thought Bill Gates was oracular, it might disturb me. However I don't do... NNadir Feb 2021 #13

I forgot, what were the CO2 atmospheric concentrations at Mauna Loa when the first progree Feb 2021 #14

Nuclear power was stopped cold from growing around 1990. NNadir Feb 2021 #15

Solar and wind didn't become economically competiitve until a few years ago (with subsidies) progree Feb 2021 #16

Yes, electricity prices are wonderful in Texas this morning. NNadir Feb 2021 #18

Oh, and about "expensive..." NNadir Feb 2021 #17

On expense, yup, that was then, this is now progree Feb 2021 #19

So if we replace all fossil fuel and so-called renewable with nuclear at $12 Million/MW, progree Feb 2021 #20

Every nuclear plant built in the US now needs to meet FOAKE costs. NNadir Feb 2021 #21

Nuclear costs have gone way up in France since France built its system progree Feb 2021 #22

China just bought its 50th nuclear plant on line last week. NNadir Feb 2021 #23

Well good for China, maybe you can do your "in this century" thing progree Feb 2021 #24

A gigawatt for a system with 20-30% capacity utilization is not equivalent to a gigawatt... NNadir Feb 2021 #25

"A gigawatt for a system with 20-30% capacity utilization is not equivalent to a gigawatt... progree Feb 2021 #26

Maybe you should write to Bill Gates the reasons why so-called renewables have not worked, progree Feb 2021 #27

No, I couldn't care less what Bill Gates thinks. NNadir Feb 2021 #30

Too bad, he has a lot bigger megaphone and influence than you do, so not giving a shit about progree Feb 2021 #31

I am not talking about the ability to advertise. Trump had a great deal of influence as well. NNadir Feb 2021 #34

By your Mauna Loa criteria, the trillions spent on solar, wind, and nuclear have not even remotely progree Feb 2021 #39

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I remarked on them as energy. We obviously disagree mightily on how impressive less than 2 EJ... NNadir Feb 2021 #32

On reliability differences between nuclear and solar/wind, that's what I was advocating progree Feb 2021 #33

"We obviously disagree mightily" (sigh, here we go again, assuming I thinking something progree Feb 2021 #35

I apologize. I'm not a very bright guy. I interpreted the statement... NNadir Feb 2021 #37

OK. progree Feb 2021 #38

Thank you for all your commentary NNadir. I agree with your position. Difficult to argue with facts c-rational Feb 2021 #29

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