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In reply to the discussion: Bill Gates on 60 Minutes just now. [View all]progree
(10,901 posts)27. Maybe you should write to Bill Gates the reasons why so-called renewables have not worked,
cannot work, and will never work
It is very, very, very, very, very popular, I concede, to claim that so called "renewable energy" is great. I've been hearing it my whole adult life, and my generation consists of entirely of old people who fucked up the world and allowed the concentration of carbon dioxide to increase by over 100 ppm in their lifetimes, all the time carrying on about how "green" they are.
And from https://www.democraticunderground.com/1127142772#post8
Guess what? Despite 50 years of wild cheering for it, and the expenditure, again, of trillions of dollars - this on a planet where more than 3 billion people lack access to improved sanitation - so called "renewable energy" didn't save the world. It isn't saving the world. It won't save the world. The reason is physics, extremely low energy to mass ratios.
I think Bill Gates can see through specious logic though, I think you have to do better than point to Mauna Loa, "despite 50 years of wild cheering" for renewable energy, that proves it doesn't work. That tiresome canard doesn't impress anyone, whether directed to renewables or nuclear.
Wind and solar didn't get to be anywhere near economical until a few years ago, so nobody was building much of anything until about a decade ago.
We have just experienced half a century of wild cheering for solar and wind energy. This result was obtained without ever considering why humanity abandoned so called renewable energy beginning in the 19th century.
I don't think that will impress Mr. Gates either.
I think if you sent him the proof that "the reason is physics, extremely low energy to mass ratios.", it would turn him and a lot of other people around. On a dime. Given that his audience is several orders of magnitude larger than that of rando message board pundits, it would probably get much more noticed if he were to speak of the shortcomings and environmental damage of so called renewable energy.
President Biden too, who has only paid some lip service to the advanced nuclear concepts, but much more to so-called renewables.
They might want to see the economics and risks of replacing everything with one technology too.
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If we keep going as we are now carbon will cause cataclysmic human carnage. This from
c-rational
Feb 2021
#5
I agree on both counts - school privatization is a bad idea, not just poor, and wealth does not
c-rational
Feb 2021
#6
His false assertions regarding schools also don't make his assertions about energy false nt
Shermann
Feb 2021
#7
And the transcript plus. Warning: the "so-called renewable" energy haters won't like this.
progree
Feb 2021
#11
If I thought Bill Gates was oracular, it might disturb me. However I don't do...
NNadir
Feb 2021
#13
I forgot, what were the CO2 atmospheric concentrations at Mauna Loa when the first
progree
Feb 2021
#14
Solar and wind didn't become economically competiitve until a few years ago (with subsidies)
progree
Feb 2021
#16
So if we replace all fossil fuel and so-called renewable with nuclear at $12 Million/MW,
progree
Feb 2021
#20
A gigawatt for a system with 20-30% capacity utilization is not equivalent to a gigawatt...
NNadir
Feb 2021
#25
"A gigawatt for a system with 20-30% capacity utilization is not equivalent to a gigawatt...
progree
Feb 2021
#26
Maybe you should write to Bill Gates the reasons why so-called renewables have not worked,
progree
Feb 2021
#27
Too bad, he has a lot bigger megaphone and influence than you do, so not giving a shit about
progree
Feb 2021
#31
I am not talking about the ability to advertise. Trump had a great deal of influence as well.
NNadir
Feb 2021
#34
By your Mauna Loa criteria, the trillions spent on solar, wind, and nuclear have not even remotely
progree
Feb 2021
#39
Re: China's impressive statistics, neither of these are: 406 TWh wind, 330 TWh nuclear
progree
Feb 2021
#28
I remarked on them as energy. We obviously disagree mightily on how impressive less than 2 EJ...
NNadir
Feb 2021
#32
On reliability differences between nuclear and solar/wind, that's what I was advocating
progree
Feb 2021
#33
"We obviously disagree mightily" (sigh, here we go again, assuming I thinking something
progree
Feb 2021
#35