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NNadir

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32. I remarked on them as energy. We obviously disagree mightily on how impressive less than 2 EJ...
Thu Feb 18, 2021, 08:28 AM
Feb 2021

of energy available at random times over a twenty year period that will end around the time babies born today get out of college is compared to 2 exajoules available continuously for over half a century is, this in a country of 1.4 billion people.

You may not think that dumped energy available when no one needs it is not counted in China, but there is no evidence for that. For the last 50 years, exaggeration has characterized pretty much every account of so called "renewable energy" there is. The entire industry is an exercise is selective attention.

In almost 20 years here, I will wish I had a dollar bill for every "Wind power provides (insert large percentage) of country x's power" usually referring to a few hours on a windy day.

It is notable that in almost every country, particularly a country where there are 100 million electric vehicles - most of them being scooters - peak power demand is late afternoon, early evening.

This is certainly true if one regularly checks the demand/supply curves at the CAISO website. I do this for cynical laughs to see what a rising disaster looks like, and California is an energy disaster because of appeals to and enthusiasm for insipid popular ideas. They often approach or exceed 10,000 MW of instantaneous solar power around 11 am -12 noon and all that "capacity" disappears usually by 6 pm, precisely when the demand curve is peaking. The price of solar power at midnight is infinite, something our Ayn Rand type "solar is competitive" people ignore, since they do not include either the internal or external costs of redundant systems in their dishonest calculations.

If one is comparing the total energy of a system that is unreliable and will be short lived, with a system that is completely reliable and is likely to be in place for half a century, one is engaged in bad thinking.

Again, and again, and again, and again, China will not need to replace all of its existing nuclear plants in 2040. They will need to replace every damned piece of material intense so called "renewable energy" and then, if possible, without killing large numbers of people with mining operations (which they probably won't do) and then add any new capacity.

The fact that humanity has spent half a century dancing in the streets trying to compare reliable continuous plants, like nuclear plants and for that matter plants that kill people whenever they operate, coal, gas and petroleum plants, with unreliable redundant so called "renewable" junk is a very, very, very, very clear and unambiguous answer to why we are failing completely and totally to address climate change.

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Bill Gates on 60 Minutes just now. [View all] c-rational Feb 2021 OP
OK, then how do we deal with nuclear waste? SharonAnn Feb 2021 #1
A hell of a lot more easily than carbon waste Salviati Feb 2021 #2
Recycle as much as you currently can like France Freethinker65 Feb 2021 #3
If we keep going as we are now carbon will cause cataclysmic human carnage. This from c-rational Feb 2021 #5
Latest number on air pollution: 8.7 Million deaths in 2018 progree Feb 2021 #9
Bill Gates also believes in school privatization Merlot Feb 2021 #4
I agree on both counts - school privatization is a bad idea, not just poor, and wealth does not c-rational Feb 2021 #6
His false assertions regarding schools also don't make his assertions about energy false nt Shermann Feb 2021 #7
Global warming might kill billions, nukes might help. Do it. Cicada Feb 2021 #8
And here's the video from 60 Minutes: Rhiannon12866 Feb 2021 #10
And the transcript plus. Warning: the "so-called renewable" energy haters won't like this. progree Feb 2021 #11
If I thought Bill Gates was oracular, it might disturb me. However I don't do... NNadir Feb 2021 #13
I forgot, what were the CO2 atmospheric concentrations at Mauna Loa when the first progree Feb 2021 #14
Nuclear power was stopped cold from growing around 1990. NNadir Feb 2021 #15
Solar and wind didn't become economically competiitve until a few years ago (with subsidies) progree Feb 2021 #16
Yes, electricity prices are wonderful in Texas this morning. NNadir Feb 2021 #18
Oh, and about "expensive..." NNadir Feb 2021 #17
On expense, yup, that was then, this is now progree Feb 2021 #19
So if we replace all fossil fuel and so-called renewable with nuclear at $12 Million/MW, progree Feb 2021 #20
Every nuclear plant built in the US now needs to meet FOAKE costs. NNadir Feb 2021 #21
Nuclear costs have gone way up in France since France built its system progree Feb 2021 #22
China just bought its 50th nuclear plant on line last week. NNadir Feb 2021 #23
Well good for China, maybe you can do your "in this century" thing progree Feb 2021 #24
A gigawatt for a system with 20-30% capacity utilization is not equivalent to a gigawatt... NNadir Feb 2021 #25
"A gigawatt for a system with 20-30% capacity utilization is not equivalent to a gigawatt... progree Feb 2021 #26
Maybe you should write to Bill Gates the reasons why so-called renewables have not worked, progree Feb 2021 #27
No, I couldn't care less what Bill Gates thinks. NNadir Feb 2021 #30
Too bad, he has a lot bigger megaphone and influence than you do, so not giving a shit about progree Feb 2021 #31
I am not talking about the ability to advertise. Trump had a great deal of influence as well. NNadir Feb 2021 #34
By your Mauna Loa criteria, the trillions spent on solar, wind, and nuclear have not even remotely progree Feb 2021 #39
Re: China's impressive statistics, neither of these are: 406 TWh wind, 330 TWh nuclear progree Feb 2021 #28
I remarked on them as energy. We obviously disagree mightily on how impressive less than 2 EJ... NNadir Feb 2021 #32
On reliability differences between nuclear and solar/wind, that's what I was advocating progree Feb 2021 #33
"We obviously disagree mightily" (sigh, here we go again, assuming I thinking something progree Feb 2021 #35
I apologize. I'm not a very bright guy. I interpreted the statement... NNadir Feb 2021 #37
OK. progree Feb 2021 #38
Thank you for all your commentary NNadir. I agree with your position. Difficult to argue with facts c-rational Feb 2021 #29
K & R Duppers Feb 2021 #12
found this on twitter: PETRUS Feb 2021 #36
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