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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
43. This isn't fighting.
Sun May 20, 2012, 02:38 PM
May 2012

I had assumed you read the thread and I have no idea what you mean by a policy that "dictates speech". Letting you know that isn't "fighting" as I understand the term.

I know of no policy that can perform the "dictate speech" function; policies can limit speech or they can enhance speech by providing information.

What went on behind the scenes with the DU2 policy of not posting from certain right wing websites? I don't know the antecedents of that but I suspect it is an attempt to address the same problem I'm concerned with here. Depending on the way it was done in the background it might provide a model for that I and others (see poll) see a need for.

I don't have a concrete plan in mind here, I opened it for discussion with the hopes of exploring the way it might be done. How about some help?

ETA: Do you know why regulation is needed to meet demand for social goods that generally everyone agrees are needed? It is a fundamental schism between right and left, so I believe that being aware of the results of research in the area is important. I don't have specific references since it is part of economics classes long in the past, but here is the meat of the matter. I am not accusing you or anyone else of being a conservative, but the argument they make is an emotionally appealing one that captures us more often than we realize.

The conservative ideological approach says that allowing people to meet these needs through voluntary contributions is the best way to address them. The point to the works of church and charitable giving etc where the action is centered on the initiative of an individual to address the problems that are most on their radar.

However when you do very high quality research involving extensive interviewing an polling to determine the level of resources people believe we should dedicate to providing for those social goods you establish a baseline for reference. When you compare the results of the approach fostered by conservative ideology you discover that the provision of the social goods always falls far short of where the social consensus says it should be.

There are a lot of reasons for this which I couldn't list without researching the literature, but I believe the idea applies to the issue at hand when we think of whether to pursue an approach to this problem that is rooted purely in individual initiave or whether to organize a programmatic response to deal with it.

k&r nt bananas May 2012 #1
Copy of leaked memo referenced in OP - This is effing incredible!!! kristopher May 2012 #12
This is a logical outcome of the Powell Memorandum of 1971. GliderGuider May 2012 #17
Move along, nothing to see. Don't bother reading post #12... kristopher May 2012 #18
Oh, by all means people should read post 12. I didn't say it was unimportant. GliderGuider May 2012 #19
"Knowing that it exists won't make it any easier to counter its effects" kristopher May 2012 #37
I believe there may already be such a policy in place OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #2
I don't think that addresses a commercially motivated propaganda campaign kristopher May 2012 #8
Like photographs of burning wind turbines? Kolesar May 2012 #3
As a photovoltaic enthusiast, I rather like the old Bell System ads… OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #4
Among other things. kristopher May 2012 #44
That goon Trump is now organizing against wind -- for what reason I don't know Kolesar May 2012 #46
If you see right-wing talking points being posted XemaSab May 2012 #5
I don't believe in the fascist Ministry of Truth concept being put forward here. joshcryer May 2012 #6
Who put forward a concept, "fascist Ministry of Truth" or otherwise? kristopher May 2012 #7
Your poll option, "DU needs some sort of policy to deal with conservative misinformation campaigns" joshcryer May 2012 #9
Do you or do you not think DU is subject to attention from commercially motivated PR campaigns? kristopher May 2012 #10
I do not think such evidence exists. joshcryer May 2012 #11
How much time and money do you think they have? GliderGuider May 2012 #16
Setting aside yet another personal attack from you... kristopher May 2012 #20
DU doesn't change policy, lobbyists do. And they used policy analysts... joshcryer May 2012 #23
I think the idea that we are under attack from an organized army of keyboard warriors GliderGuider May 2012 #26
It's unfortunate you feel that way. kristopher May 2012 #28
That is a presumptuous and loaded remark...eom Kolesar May 2012 #13
"Show usernames" ... lol Kolesar May 2012 #14
DU does need such a policy. FBaggins May 2012 #15
I think the idea of needing a "policy" is the problematic part caraher May 2012 #21
Why is that the only type of policy that is possible? kristopher May 2012 #22
Again, already being done ... Nihil May 2012 #25
"Again"? kristopher May 2012 #27
I guess maybe the word "policy" is confusing caraher May 2012 #29
Do you have any alternatives to suggest? kristopher May 2012 #31
The Great Leader thinks your suggestion is a good one XemaSab May 2012 #32
What suggestion? kristopher May 2012 #33
Really, I'd like to know what suggestion you are referring to. kristopher May 2012 #34
. XemaSab May 2012 #35
Where is there a suggestion in that? kristopher May 2012 #36
We've already banned one denier from the group XemaSab May 2012 #30
Nuclear advocacy is a right wing talking point Kolesar May 2012 #47
So you'll be leaving DU soon? FBaggins May 2012 #48
From post 12 - the ultimate goal of the right wing strategy in their own words. kristopher May 2012 #50
You've obviously replied to the wrong post. FBaggins May 2012 #51
Right, sure, fine, whatever XemaSab May 2012 #49
Slapp Suit, A Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation, .. (nolo) Kolesar May 2012 #24
I don't think we need a policy, kristopher. We need truth police, advocates, we need to fight. NYC_SKP May 2012 #38
That's a bit self contradictory kristopher May 2012 #39
Do you want DU policy to dictate speech? NYC_SKP May 2012 #40
I don't know how any policy could "dictate speech"? kristopher May 2012 #41
Fight with someone else, kristopher. I'm already on your side. NYC_SKP May 2012 #42
This isn't fighting. kristopher May 2012 #43
Yes it is. GliderGuider May 2012 #45
Kick kristopher May 2012 #52
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