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6. Yes, I'm aware that antinukes don't give a shit about fossil fuels, never have, and never will.

I also am aware that they don't give a rat's ass about climate change, although when embarrassed into excusing this indifference, they will sometimes pay lip service to the statement.

It's nice to see antinukes saying as much.

I repeat what I said earlier in this appalling thread:

There are no fucking places on this planet where solar and wind energy have provided enough power to shut all of the dangerous fossil fuel plants on a grid for a period of hours, never mind days, and thus every fucking battery on this planet on any grid that isn't French is being charged by wasting energy, energy provided by dangerous fossil fuels, to charge batteries, all of which will be electronic waste in less than 25 years.

This time I added the bold to be clear.

One does not get to "not believe" in evolution; one does not get to "not believe" in the effectiveness of vaccines; one does not get to "not believe" in climate change. These are all facts. FACTS MATTER.

Similarly one does not get to "not believe" in the second law of thermodynamics. Thus if any grid, anywhere, at any time is burning fossil fuels to maintain its reliability by charging batteries, it is causing more fossil fuels than it would have done without batteries.

Antinukes seem to believe I'm as lazy as I believe they are. I note that I frequently post graphics showing the fossil fuel dependent hellholes that have embraced so called "renewable energy," Texas (which is not, to be fair, antinuclear) and antinuke California and antinuke Germany. How is that? Because I look. Frequently. At random.

However, sometimes I look at moments of extremes, like the extremes that took place in California last September during a heat emergency that I lay at the feet of antinuke indifference to climate change, among other causes.

For example, in my files, I have information from September 6, 2022, from the CAISO grid where right now, as of this writing, California is charging batteries while burning dangerous natural gas and dumping the waste directly into the planetary atmosphere, even though it happens that today California is briefly producing a lot of so called "renewable energy." On September 6, 2022, two days before this article, The heat wave scorching California may be the worst in its history and now an offshore hurricane threatens to fan already raging wildfires, was published, here is what was happening on the California Grid expressed in three graphics, one for overall demand, one for the especially worshipped so called "renewable energy, and one for all energy sources on the grid.







California was charging batteries with dangerous fossil fuels to deal with the fact that the energy sources on their grid were unreliable and dependent on the whims of the weather, which was not cooperating.

Again, one does not get to "not believe" in the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Fossil fuels were being wasted because California's energy sources were unreliable, not predictable, and not available because of weather. Thus batteries were being charged using dangerous fossil fuels, wasting energy produced by dumping dangerous fossil fuel waste into the planetary atmosphere.

Now, in California on that day, there were lots of places where people would die if the air conditioning failed.

The waste of money, resources, human capital, ecosystems and the like for so called "renewable energy" makes, in the bizarre and destructive mentality of anti-nukes, fossil fuel burning is OK with them apparently. It's very clear that whatever criteria can be applied to energy systems of any type, anywhere, at any time, death tolls, waste, accidents, material intensity, land intensity and climate impact the only time an antinuke will mention one of these things it will be in connection with nuclear energy even in the case where nuclear energy is superior to all forms of energy.

Now, as for the idea that it is OK to spend billions of dollars and vast amounts of money provided by the unpaid cobalt slaves because some antinuke is having an orgasm over some event in 2017, where for a few minutes or hours there was briefly excess solar energy on the grid strikes me as obscene.

That of course, is just me.

Of course, I oppose all uses of all fossil fuels at all times, not just when the wind happens to be blowing. This makes me very different than anti-nukes.

There is a country on this planet, one may have heard of it, it's called "France" that was in the early 1970's wholly dependent on coal. Today they aren't. There is also a country - it borders France - that used to be far less dependent on coal, but now would be required to shut of power if it couldn't burn coal. One may have heard of it. It's called "Germany."

I also am aware of the fact that the second law of thermodynamics applies in all cases at all times. It is not subject to "belief." Frankly the elevation of "belief" over reality has a word for itself. It's called "ignorance."

In another thread, an antinuke celebration of the needs for cobalt slaves, by the way, I posted a note graphically demonstrating why so called "renewable energy" is not sustainable, not clean, and not worthy of the waste of money being squandered on it, not even counting the enthusiasm of the antinuke community for cobalt slavery and the racist Elon Musk's Chinese battery factories.

It's this one:

My original post on this topic is here: Material Intensity of Various Forms of Energy, a Nice Graphic.

Here's the reference and a picture from the post, just so any antinuke who is indifferent to education can see what the "nice graphic" shows:

Closing the Infrastructure Gap for Decarbonization: The Case for an Integrated Mineral Supply Agreement Saleem H. Ali, Sophia Kalantzakos, Roderick Eggert, Roland Gauss, Constantine Karayannopoulos, Julie Klinger, Xiaoyu Pu, Kristin Vekasi, and Robert K. Perrons Environmental Science & Technology 2022 56 (22), 15280-15289

Here's figure 3 from the paper:



The caption:

Figure 3. Materials needed for different forms of power generation. Figure based on data from U.S. Department of Energy Quadrennial Energy Review 2015.

It's, um, from a scientific journal concerned with the environment.

It works out sort of the way it works whenever antinukes who complain about so called "nuclear waste" but not fossil fuel waste (air pollution and climate change) are asked to show that so called "nuclear waste" has killed, in the 70 year history of nuclear energy, as many people as will die from air pollution in the next six hours, roughly 4500 people.

Silence.

Nothing said.

Let me repeat, not expecting it to get through a single think head invested in denial, moral indifference, and indifference to the environmental disaster now being experienced on a planetary scale.

There are no fucking places on this planet where solar and wind energy have provided enough power to shut all of the dangerous fossil fuel plants on a grid for a period of hours, never mind days, and thus every fucking battery on this planet on any grid that isn't French is being charged by wasting energy, energy provided by dangerous fossil fuels, to charge batteries, all of which will be electronic waste in less than 25 years.

This time I added the bold to be clear.

No matter how many times I repeat this fact I cannot expect it penetrate the moral and intellectual indifference of the antinuke community.

Their ignorance kills people, pure and simple.

One hears this kind of shit and one doesn't want to believe it.

Have a wonderful evening.