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NickB79

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4. Looks like the gas-lovers who badmouthed the Cornell study

Reply to GliderGuider (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:32 PM

Jan 2013

By Professor Howarth, will have to suck it: http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/12/fugitive-methane-stirs-debate-on-natural-gas/

The sad thing is, I've actually debated a few of those people here, who claimed the actual loss rate was as low as 0.1-1%, based on self-reported data from the gas industry itself. I mean, the gas industry wouldn't LIE or anything, right?

In his initial study, it found natural gas to be WORSE than coal at ONLY a 4-7% loss rate.

9% is fucking horrible.

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NOAA Confirms High Methane Leakage Rate Up To **9%** From Gas Fields [View all] GliderGuider Jan 2013 OP

Thanks OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #1

That sucking sound you hear GliderGuider Jan 2013 #2

I forwarded the Nature article off to Governor Cuomo OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #5

Good! The more ammunition they have against fracking, the better. nt GliderGuider Jan 2013 #8

I hope we have another Sandy ... (sort of) Vox Moi Jan 2013 #3

Looks like the gas-lovers who badmouthed the Cornell study NickB79 Jan 2013 #4

Well, to be generous… OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #7

That was the first thing I thought of, too. joshcryer Jan 2013 #18

Here's why I think we face a choiceless choice GliderGuider Jan 2013 #6

It's not a “choiceless choice” OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #9

We will not make the choice to undergo that degree of sacrifice. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #10

I don’t see where that necessarily follows… OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #15

You have to start somewhere? GliderGuider Jan 2013 #16

EU makes up 15% of global electrical consumption. joshcryer Jan 2013 #25

You'll pry the new smartphone I buy every 18 months from my cold, dead hands NoOneMan Jan 2013 #11

It's OK, I can wait... nt GliderGuider Jan 2013 #12

Sounds like a personal problem to me OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #13

Me neither NoOneMan Jan 2013 #14

Even as inhospitable as the results from IPCC RCP8.5 and the A1FI scenarios, CRH Jan 2013 #19

Yeah, I expect things to unravel a lot sooner than 2100 myself. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #20

Can't be said better than that. n/t CRH Jan 2013 #21

Funny you should mention Kevin Anderson, ... CRH Jan 2013 #28

Spot on - "a choiceless choice" due to the nature of our belief in exceptionalism Nihil Jan 2013 #23

This was being denied here just a few weeks back. joshcryer Jan 2013 #17

In that case the denial was probably the indirect defence of the wind industry ... Nihil Jan 2013 #22

That would be my assessment, too. joshcryer Jan 2013 #24

Oh, hey, the next line of defense will be that methane is a natural substance. djean111 Jan 2013 #26

seaQuest DSV. joshcryer Jan 2013 #27

Does anyone know if the leakage, ... CRH Jan 2013 #29