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In reply to the discussion: NOAA Confirms High Methane Leakage Rate Up To **9%** From Gas Fields [View all]GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)6. Here's why I think we face a choiceless choice
Without fossil fuels we can't maintain our existing population or the civilization that supports us. We need that much energy to support this level of organization and activity for this many people. Without fossil fuel we would have only 13% of the energy we currently enjoy - assuming we could even maintain industrial-scale hydro and nuclear power without oil or gas. Because of our intrinsic dependence on energy, our population would eventually, inevitably be reduced to the same extent - down to perhaps one billion people, similar to the world's population in the early 1800s. Because we are so invested in our 10,000 year old story of human exceptionalism, we will not make any choice that might result in such a decline.
If we do not make that choice however, we will continue following our current climate trajectory as described by the IPCC's RCP8.5 and A1FI scenarios. That curve passes through a temperature increase of +6C or better by the end of the century. Mark Lynas' description of a +6C world makes it abundantly clear that such a rise is utterly incompatible with a large, complex, global industrial civilization - or the number of people it currently supports.
So what do we do? Well, we probably just muddle along doing whatever we think might be useful, as we usually do. Maybe we pray a bit. And maybe we give thanks that we weren't born a few decades later, like our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
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NOAA Confirms High Methane Leakage Rate Up To **9%** From Gas Fields [View all]
GliderGuider
Jan 2013
OP
Spot on - "a choiceless choice" due to the nature of our belief in exceptionalism
Nihil
Jan 2013
#23
In that case the denial was probably the indirect defence of the wind industry ...
Nihil
Jan 2013
#22
Oh, hey, the next line of defense will be that methane is a natural substance.
djean111
Jan 2013
#26