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CRH

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19. Even as inhospitable as the results from IPCC RCP8.5 and the A1FI scenarios,
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:10 PM
Jan 2013

those models are still employing data dependent on lineal interpretation. I continue to have problems giving any weight to lineal models representing a dynamic exponential heating system.

Within this last year I have come to believe the IPCC and most of what it synthesizes into consensus reports that will survive the government minders, is near worthless in comparison to the data and theory offered by David Wasdell and presented between 2005-2009 in his many lectures and website postings, at Apollo-Gaia, Meridian, etc.

If one looks into the natural world at cause and effect relationships, how many complex systems can really be quantified by lineal interpretation. The very fact the parts of complex systems are interactive and interdependent and often inter reactive, the possible permutations of effect soon become exponential. It is the nature of the beast. Now we are being told by government science minders, lineal models and resulting conclusions capture an accurate representation of a complex heat system governing the climate of our planet. That global heating is equal to global warming, when the latter is just an effect of the former. That somehow we can have lineal temperature determination, with a exponential multidimensional feedback, cause.

It is this lack of confidence in the official models and data, that leaves me certain anything we do, will be ineffective in addressing physical solutions. Our present science theory is incomplete and incompatible to finding a solution.

So what do we do? Flow into the chasm with non attachment. At this point we are but spectators not deciders, of our destiny. Our actions can only realistically affect, our consciousness, and the manner we accept our anthropogenic dilemma.

On edit: corrected the use of the word 'affect/effect'.

Thanks OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #1
That sucking sound you hear GliderGuider Jan 2013 #2
I forwarded the Nature article off to Governor Cuomo OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #5
Good! The more ammunition they have against fracking, the better. nt GliderGuider Jan 2013 #8
I hope we have another Sandy ... (sort of) Vox Moi Jan 2013 #3
Looks like the gas-lovers who badmouthed the Cornell study NickB79 Jan 2013 #4
Well, to be generous… OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #7
That was the first thing I thought of, too. joshcryer Jan 2013 #18
Here's why I think we face a choiceless choice GliderGuider Jan 2013 #6
It's not a “choiceless choice” OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #9
We will not make the choice to undergo that degree of sacrifice. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #10
I don’t see where that necessarily follows… OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #15
You have to start somewhere? GliderGuider Jan 2013 #16
EU makes up 15% of global electrical consumption. joshcryer Jan 2013 #25
You'll pry the new smartphone I buy every 18 months from my cold, dead hands NoOneMan Jan 2013 #11
It's OK, I can wait... nt GliderGuider Jan 2013 #12
Sounds like a personal problem to me OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #13
Me neither NoOneMan Jan 2013 #14
Even as inhospitable as the results from IPCC RCP8.5 and the A1FI scenarios, CRH Jan 2013 #19
Yeah, I expect things to unravel a lot sooner than 2100 myself. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #20
Can't be said better than that. n/t CRH Jan 2013 #21
Funny you should mention Kevin Anderson, ... CRH Jan 2013 #28
Spot on - "a choiceless choice" due to the nature of our belief in exceptionalism Nihil Jan 2013 #23
This was being denied here just a few weeks back. joshcryer Jan 2013 #17
In that case the denial was probably the indirect defence of the wind industry ... Nihil Jan 2013 #22
That would be my assessment, too. joshcryer Jan 2013 #24
Oh, hey, the next line of defense will be that methane is a natural substance. djean111 Jan 2013 #26
seaQuest DSV. joshcryer Jan 2013 #27
Does anyone know if the leakage, ... CRH Jan 2013 #29
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