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NoOneMan

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16. Actually 0% *could* work. You are looking at this incorrectly
Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:44 PM
Jan 2013

If we establish that the only number that is important is emissions, then the % of renewables is moot.

If 100% of new power generation was fossil fuel based, this could work if that amount was less than the amount of generation capacity lost from retiring fossil fuel infrastructure.

For example, if we pumped out 100MJ, and each year we added 2MJ from coal, but each year we retired 8MJ of existing coal generation, then we are on the right track (first year is a 6% reduction in FF-based generation).

Those are the only numbers that really matter.

I think touting our renewable numbers cloud the picture and encourage passivity; it creates the false notion that we are moving in a beneficial direction (when this couldn't be further from the truth). The theory is that by boosting green energy we will have the capability to *replace* fossil fuels. But a contradictory theory suggests we humans make no replacements, but maximize our consumption in this system (so renewables do nothing but increase system growth because they do not offset FF usage). To offset fossil fuel usage, we have to decide not to consume or sell fossil fuels; to just leave it in the ground. Can we collectively do that throughout the globe? Will our current system let us? Will this take a complete change in the structure of human civilization (something that isn't being examine while we green it up on an illusionary question to utopia)?

If humans can decide to "leave it in the ground" at some magical point in the future, why can't we now?

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K&R jpak Jan 2013 #1
K&R daleanime Jan 2013 #2
“Renewable power generation now accounts for around 50% of all new power generation capacity…” OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #3
Does it? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #4
Even if we manage to reduce the carbon intensity of our energy supply GliderGuider Jan 2013 #5
Or, quite simply, we get off of our butts and do something about it OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #8
Do your best! GliderGuider Jan 2013 #17
EROEI below 5:1 Terry in Austin Jan 2013 #25
Try this: GliderGuider Jan 2013 #27
Yes, it does say something… OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #7
I don't care. Its irrelevant NoOneMan Jan 2013 #9
No, you choose to claim it is irrelevant OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author NoOneMan Jan 2013 #11
If aggregate emissions continue to increase, nothing else matters. Nothing. Nada. Zilch NoOneMan Jan 2013 #12
“We start when aggregate emissions begin to drop.” OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #13
No, we are kicking the can down the road and further screwing our situation NoOneMan Jan 2013 #14
I agree, we delayed acting for too long OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #15
Actually 0% *could* work. You are looking at this incorrectly NoOneMan Jan 2013 #16
That may be the wrong question. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #18
Its a rhetorical question NoOneMan Jan 2013 #23
It's the only sensible conclusion one could come to. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #24
In truth, a 0 carbon emissions level is not enough OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #19
"We both know that is not going to happen" NoOneMan Jan 2013 #22
What's the assumed capacity factor? GliderGuider Jan 2013 #6
There has to be an energy-efficiency factor too. Ghost Dog Jan 2013 #20
Oh, it's all good GliderGuider Jan 2013 #21
This message was deleted by the cat on the keyboard. n/t 2on2u Jan 2013 #26
Keyboard Cats, huh? Ghost Dog Jan 2013 #28
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