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In reply to the discussion: The Jevons Paradox is bullshit. [View all]wtmusic
(39,166 posts)40. No, it's that you either don't understand or are being obtuse.
First of all, I never said global PCEC went down. The US went down 11%.
Now take this pretty graph of yours, and look at the years 1980+ - which has been the subject of our discussion. That part of the graph is leveling off, isn't it? That's because when people reach a baseline standard of living, like in the US and many other nations, people don't simply consume more when efficiency is created, and can end up actually using less. (Incidentally your graph, wherever it comes from, is wrong according to the WB. Energy use should be up twice that amount for 1980-present. You're welcome).
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It sounds like a 75% reduction in population would then save us ............
Angry Dragon
Jan 2013
#1
If we wanted to simplify the problem, pretending it doesn't exist may be easier
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#7
Its non-news. Its fiction in the manner its being applied. You don't know what you are talking about
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#12
There are about 5 billion people that are in fact hell-bent on consumption
GliderGuider
Jan 2013
#14
You claimed that it's not a consumption problem, it's a population problem
GliderGuider
Jan 2013
#20
Why are you looking at per capita energy consumption? What does Jevon's Paradox say about it?
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#13
"I've shown that energy consumption is almost entirely related to population growth"
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#16
Because they are using the energy freed up by our efficient innovations, and adopting them as well!
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#22
Why, it certainly has correlated to growth in consumption within the global context
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#35