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joshcryer

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62. I think technological sharing has a bigger effect.

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:21 PM

Jan 2013

Sex education is powerful, but I think technological sharing will help boost intelligent and is compassionate.

It's one thing to say "Hey, wear condoms, but clean drinking water? Hahaha, your kids will have a low survival rate. Wear condoms!" It's another thing to say "Hey, here's clean drinking water, hehehe! Your kids will outlive you and every generation before you!"

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The Jevons Paradox is bullshit. [View all] wtmusic Jan 2013 OP

It sounds like a 75% reduction in population would then save us ............ Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #1

It wouldn't hurt. wtmusic Jan 2013 #2

"but there is hope" NoOneMan Jan 2013 #3

I hope so. wtmusic Jan 2013 #4

That's quite some faith you have NoOneMan Jan 2013 #5

It simplifies the problem to one of controlling population wtmusic Jan 2013 #6

If we wanted to simplify the problem, pretending it doesn't exist may be easier NoOneMan Jan 2013 #7

Sorry this good news peeves you so badly wtmusic Jan 2013 #10

Its non-news. Its fiction in the manner its being applied. You don't know what you are talking about NoOneMan Jan 2013 #12

BTW, where should we start? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #8

There are about 5 billion people that are in fact hell-bent on consumption GliderGuider Jan 2013 #14

You seem to be intent on proving yourself wrong. wtmusic Jan 2013 #17

You claimed that it's not a consumption problem, it's a population problem GliderGuider Jan 2013 #20

Who said it's not a consumption problem? wtmusic Jan 2013 #23

"The point is that increasing energy efficiency makes consumption go down" NoOneMan Jan 2013 #24

Only because our population keeps going up. wtmusic Jan 2013 #26

So it did or it didn't? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #30

Do you understand what "per capita" means? wtmusic Jan 2013 #34

"Per capita consumption...went down. " NoOneMan Jan 2013 #37

No, it's that you either don't understand or are being obtuse. wtmusic Jan 2013 #40

"The US went down" NoOneMan Jan 2013 #42

It may make the consumption of energy go down in the USA GliderGuider Jan 2013 #32

Using "lust" in reference to Al Gore's yacht wtmusic Jan 2013 #36

trust me... Big Bird has been around professing myth fascisthunter Jan 2013 #29

"Thirty-two years later, with all of their iPhones, flat-screen TVs,....." NoOneMan Jan 2013 #9

You're looking at total, I'm looking at per capita. wtmusic Jan 2013 #11

Why are you looking at per capita energy consumption? What does Jevon's Paradox say about it? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #13

Um...societies can't have babies. wtmusic Jan 2013 #15

"I've shown that energy consumption is almost entirely related to population growth" NoOneMan Jan 2013 #16

9%. wtmusic Jan 2013 #18

Please retire the bad, poor Indian breeder crap NoOneMan Jan 2013 #19

Per capita energy use in India is increasing wtmusic Jan 2013 #21

Because they are using the energy freed up by our efficient innovations, and adopting them as well! NoOneMan Jan 2013 #22

How would being less efficient aid in our "keeping them down"? wtmusic Jan 2013 #25

If we burned twice as much energy, do you think the market would take notice? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #28

"Growth" is a tricky word. wtmusic Jan 2013 #33

Why, it certainly has correlated to growth in consumption within the global context NoOneMan Jan 2013 #35

You can't assume that from the numbers wtmusic Jan 2013 #38

The numbers imply a clear correlation NoOneMan Jan 2013 #39

What industrial revolutions are you referring to? wtmusic Jan 2013 #41

OK, let's look at per capita energy consumption. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #27

The rest of the world is more efficient than the US wtmusic Jan 2013 #31

That's another good way to muddle the argument. joshcryer Jan 2013 #44

Do you believe that a free transfer of technology is fair? nt wtmusic Jan 2013 #49

Yes. joshcryer Jan 2013 #59

The US is not the metric for more energy consumption. joshcryer Jan 2013 #43

That second graphic really tells the tale. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #45

Lest we forget Norman Borlaug's technological efficiencies. joshcryer Jan 2013 #46

It's never just one thing The2ndWheel Jan 2013 #47

+1 wtmusic Jan 2013 #51

I don't know if they're the enemy or not The2ndWheel Jan 2013 #52

Very succinct and on point. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #53

We'll keep fixing the problems of yesterday's solutions until we can't NoOneMan Jan 2013 #54

There are two options: Business-As-Usual, and Not-Business-As-Usual. wtmusic Jan 2013 #60

I do not believe efficiency and technology are the enemy. joshcryer Jan 2013 #58

World economies don't need capitalism to grow and consume energy NoOneMan Jan 2013 #63

I dispute that. The world is moving toward state monopoly capitalism. joshcryer Jan 2013 #64

Sure, but that's muddling the argument further. joshcryer Jan 2013 #57

Claiming efficiency is the cause of population growth is silly. wtmusic Jan 2013 #48

You seriously want me to believe India's population... joshcryer Jan 2013 #55

It definitely wouldn't have doubled without sex, wtmusic Jan 2013 #61

I think technological sharing has a bigger effect. joshcryer Jan 2013 #62

Don't forget the outsourcing of wealth, healthcare, and standard of living wtmusic Jan 2013 #50

You redundantly stated "standard of living." joshcryer Jan 2013 #56