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longship

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95. Every lifeform on earth shares genes with every other.

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:00 AM

Feb 2013

And that includes the non-coding genes. Bonobos and humans share 98% yet they cannot breed. Bacteria and humans share about 7%. The overlap includes non-coding genes which just get passed on and are available for selection. And that histone gene from bacteria is available for gene duplication, as are all others.

Your body mass has more bacteria cells than human!

Biology isn't a simple thing, and I am far from an expert. But straw man arguments are not going to win against GMO.

Inserting genes into an organism is not cross breeding any more than would be the duplication and subsequent adaptation of the histone gene.

I don't object to people fighting GMO. I object to using fallacious arguments and bad science.

There are many good arguments which stand up. Saying salmon and tomatoes cannot crossbreed is not one of them. Sounds like the creationist crocaduck. Both are ridiculous straw men.

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Virus DNA hidden in GMO crops [View all] eridani Feb 2013 OP

du rec. nt xchrom Feb 2013 #1

rec and kick Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #2

"we told you this would happen" is going to be such a Pyrrhic victory dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #3

So this virus gene, which is naturally occurring, has been demonstrated to cause problems? Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #4

Somehow, I don't think Monsanto wants to recruit volunteers to see how widely it is expressed. Overseas Feb 2013 #10

Good point. No one is eating GMO foods right now. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #18

How the hell do people know what they're eating if the farminator3000 Feb 2013 #45

Go... Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #46

Why would I post a link when you don't read them you just babble farminator3000 Feb 2013 #50

it most certainly is not naturally occurring whatsoever farminator3000 Feb 2013 #43

This world gets more terrifying every day. loudsue Feb 2013 #5

I suggest you follow the links in the article. This is not terrifying. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #19

Yesterday's terrifying if today's norm. defacto7 Feb 2013 #103

K&R ReRe Feb 2013 #6

We tried and lost on the 2012 California ballot. SCVDem Feb 2013 #26

Where are the GMO supporters now? nt Javaman Feb 2013 #7

They're out there mocking peoples' concerns. Hoping social pressure can bully people into acceptance Overseas Feb 2013 #16

Oh, bullshit. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #21

+10 !!! (NT) reACTIONary Feb 2013 #130

Actually that's not what it says at all. nebenaube Jun 2013 #135

K&R. Hope we decide to choose safety and stop the GMOs now. Rather than discover later Overseas Feb 2013 #8

It's not about "safety", it's about $$$. nt NorthCarolina Feb 2013 #11

If GMOs were not a private profit center, things would be quite different. Overseas Feb 2013 #13

For Christ sakes, there's viral DNA in every lifeform on the planet. longship Feb 2013 #9

This is just a previously undiscovered one that causes mutations and tumors if expressed. Overseas Feb 2013 #12

Well I am against the patent bullshit longship Feb 2013 #15

calling bullshit right here Viva_La_Revolution Feb 2013 #20

Well what the hell do you think cross breeding does? longship Feb 2013 #28

Actually it does seem to be inherently more harmful. I have seen some evidence on film. Overseas Feb 2013 #31

Bombarding DNA with a gene gun is absolutely not like breeding farminator3000 Feb 2013 #32

A gene gun? longship Feb 2013 #49

yes that is how monSanto inserts the genes into cells farminator3000 Feb 2013 #51

Of course they're using biology. longship Feb 2013 #62

nature certainly doesn't mix genes using bacteria. try sperm and egg? farminator3000 Feb 2013 #80

Nevertheless, humans share DNA with all life forms. longship Feb 2013 #86

thanks for being polite! farminator3000 Feb 2013 #111

Thanks for the info. longship Feb 2013 #112

nice puns! farminator3000 Feb 2013 #114

Yup--tomatoes fuck salmon all the time and produce hybrid offspring, right? n/t eridani Feb 2013 #90

It's called the "tree of life" for a reason. longship Feb 2013 #91

The common genes shared are those that rarely change at all, like those for histone proteins eridani Feb 2013 #92

Tomatoes and salmon? longship Feb 2013 #93

The genes they have in common DON'T CHANGE!! eridani Feb 2013 #94

Every lifeform on earth shares genes with every other. longship Feb 2013 #95

Genes inserted into GMO crops are by definition NOT shared. eridani Feb 2013 #107

Here's Monsanto being sued by their buddies about it farminator3000 Feb 2013 #52

oh, excuse me, they use something worse now. but they used to farminator3000 Feb 2013 #79

You cannot generally cross different species'. GMO *is* different newthinking Feb 2013 #101

No Viva_La_Revolution Feb 2013 #35

Well, you share a significant number of genes with a fish. longship Feb 2013 #37

"Science Channel" science is not going to cut it here Viva_La_Revolution Feb 2013 #65

There's no cable TV here. longship Feb 2013 #73

of course they do, that's 5th grade stuff Viva_La_Revolution Feb 2013 #77

Thanks for the link. longship Feb 2013 #78

I hope I didn't offend. I got a little passionate Viva_La_Revolution Feb 2013 #82

No offense taken. longship Feb 2013 #88

Thats the whole point, nature does not splice material from a fish into corn. FogerRox Jun 2013 #137

Genes are not spliced by breeding, please stop Tumbulu Feb 2013 #97

I should have said crossover. longship Feb 2013 #99

No, crossover's are extremely rare Tumbulu Feb 2013 #131

Correct !!!!! nt Tumbulu Feb 2013 #96

Exactly!!! The problem with Monsanto is their business practices, not the science. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #24

That is a preposterous statement farminator3000 Feb 2013 #33

I am defeated. Well played, sir! Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #41

Hysteria and ignorance of biology. longship Feb 2013 #54

+1 Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #58

why has monsanto's crap been banned in some countries, and failed to boot? farminator3000 Feb 2013 #81

I agree about Monsanto. longship Feb 2013 #102

i hear you on the rocket science... farminator3000 Feb 2013 #113

in ref. to post #113 and the common dreams article farminator3000 Feb 2013 #115

I am a scientist and nature does not do this all the time Tumbulu Feb 2013 #98

And I agree. It has to be tested. longship Feb 2013 #100

their science is not very good either NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #108

The incorporation of the viral genes was not inadvertant. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #109

oh but I do NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #119

It would be great to hear from someone in the industry about this. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #120

well, I have talked with my wife a lot about this NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #132

That is a lie. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #22

Not sure which part of my alarm you are considering a lie. Overseas Feb 2013 #27

I didn't get past the "previously undiscovered virus". That's bullshit. You didn't read any of it. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #29

I did read the thing. It discusses genetic mutations and tumors. Real concerns. Overseas Feb 2013 #30

Nice try. The virus in question is the Cauliflower mosaic. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #40

I don't like the headline either. Tumors and mutations Overseas Feb 2013 #44

So why are you commenting if you didn't read it? farminator3000 Feb 2013 #34

.. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #39

the virus that occurs in nature is NOT inserted into the DNA with a bacteria farminator3000 Feb 2013 #84

If you don't know that the cauliflower virus is different from farminator3000 Feb 2013 #47

Go to the OP. Click the link to the article. Click the link to the original article. Read it. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #48

I'm quite sure I know more than you about this farminator3000 Feb 2013 #53

I have no doubt you believe what you just said. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #55

I also think you are doing the same thing monsanto does farminator3000 Feb 2013 #59

you didn't read a damn thing farminator3000 Feb 2013 #83

Again? And, rather than give us something from the scientific literature, it's back to the websites. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #89

what have YOU cited from 'scientific lit'- a short 'peer review' farminator3000 Feb 2013 #110

I guess you think this is some sort of joke. It is definitely not funny. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #116

i'm glad i have offended you, because you have really blown your argument now! cheerio! farminator3000 Feb 2013 #117

No. You're wrong. It is not the virus being modified. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #118

i am completely right and you look more foolish with each post! farminator3000 Feb 2013 #121

This is your style -- you paste in more and more irrelevant shit hoping I'll give up. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #123

so you ARE working for big M! why should anyone listen to you again? farminator3000 Feb 2013 #125

LOL! Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #126

if you are looking for a way to escape this argument farminator3000 Feb 2013 #127

I've read enough of your tangential stuff. See you next time. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #128

AND, they're doing GMO friggin zucchinni now!!! wtf? farminator3000 Feb 2013 #129

So thats the main difference, into the nucleus? or outside the nucleus? FogerRox Jun 2013 #138

Human life expectancy: 35 years. Is this the way that World population will be controlled? DhhD Feb 2013 #14

You should sell that rant as an idea for a sci-fi movie. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #25

yeaks mettamega Feb 2013 #17

How terrible Highway61 Feb 2013 #23

Monsanto's golden rice hoax read it here! farminator3000 Feb 2013 #36

science illiteracy is strong in this thread.... mike_c Feb 2013 #38

Oh SHUT UP! farminator3000 Feb 2013 #42

Off you go again, despite being corrected about this further up thread. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #56

Corrected by you typing some nonsense? farminator3000 Feb 2013 #60

You claimed that the viral DNA in the GMOs was "previously undiscovered." Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #61

No I did not the article did. farminator3000 Feb 2013 #63

Ok. Quote it right here. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #64

Quote what you? don't know what you're talking about farminator3000 Feb 2013 #66

As I thought. You have nothing. Goodbye! Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #67

i've got more than you farminator3000 Feb 2013 #68

Start backing up your claims with substance, ... Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #69

You have provided no substance farminator3000 Feb 2013 #72

Is this the part you don't want to talk about. farminator3000 Feb 2013 #70

That was NOT your original claim. Have you given up on the "previously undiscovered" claim? Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #71

not at all farminator3000 Feb 2013 #74

Read the damned article. Educate yourself. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #75

phone dead farminator3000 Feb 2013 #76

here's the scoop, you dupe farminator3000 Feb 2013 #85

KICKING! patrice Feb 2013 #57

I've changed my mind on this subject. wtmusic Feb 2013 #87

HALLEH FREAKING LULYAH!!! farminator3000 Feb 2013 #122

Poisoned blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #104

Oh hey, it's this thread from Jan 23 again. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #105

sure is, do you want to continue the part about monsanto's safety study being 3 MONTHS TOTAL? farminator3000 Feb 2013 #124

May these people rot in Hell. Although I take that back because I don't even like to wish bad Maraya1969 Feb 2013 #106

EFSA: FAQ on inserted fragment of viral gene in GM plants (Please read) OKIsItJustMe Feb 2013 #133

if you are going to read that, you should read this, too. (because those answers aren't right) farminator3000 Feb 2013 #134

And that does not even include the effects we are unaware of. FogerRox Jun 2013 #136