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farminator3000

(2,117 posts)
117. i'm glad i have offended you, because you have really blown your argument now! cheerio!
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:59 AM
Feb 2013
The Cauliflower mosaic virus occurs in nature, just like billions of other viruses. The fact that the CaMV causes causes mosaic symptoms in tobacco is a natural result of the fact that CaMV is not limited in its infection to cauliflower: it infects members of Brassicaceae, Solanaceae, Datura and Nicotiana.

now, here is the UNfootnoted part you 'pasted' from wiki

Cauliflower mosaic virus (CaMV) is the type species of the family Caulimoviridae. This family is grouped together with Hepadnaviruses into the Pararetrovirus group due to its mode of replication via reverse transcription of a pre-genomic RNA intermediate.
CaMV infects mostly plants of the Brassicaceae family (examples: Caulifower, Turnip) but some CaMV strains (D4 and W260) are also able to infect Solanaceae species of the genera Datura and Nicotiana. CaMV induces a variety of systemic symptoms such as mosaic, necrotic lesions on leaf surfaces, or stunting and deformation of the whole plant, which vary depending on the viral strain, host ecotype and environmental conditions.
CaMV is transmitted in a no-circulated manner by aphid species such as Myzus persicae.Once introduced within a plant host cell, virions migrate to the nuclear envelope.


oh, YOU ARE SO WRONG. when you read the below, you see that the ONLY CaMV that affects tobacco, etc......

IS THE GENETICALLY MODIFIED ONE!!! GET IT??? D4 and W260 are MONSANTO's CRAP!!!

An analysis of 24 infected plants showed that a recombination event occurred in every plant, demonstrating that under strong selection conditions, the recovery of CaMV recombinants from transgenic plants can be very high.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004268229690464X

did you mean cucumber, not cauliflower?
For example, plants including tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, and tobacco may all be infected by the tobacco mosaic virus.
http://biology.about.com/od/virology/ss/plant-viruses.htm

so, yes, in nature, the CUCUMBER virus will cross to tobacco, but NOT in the nucleus, as i explained previously.
only in THE LAB does CaMV cross over INTO THE NUCLEUS, which is the WHOLE POINT of the controversy.

you just PROVED you don't know what you are talking about!

why so upset, does losing arguments affect your take home pay?

CaMV is a DNA virus, TMV is an RNA virus. get it?

Cauliflower mosaic virus
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Cauliflower mosaic virus
Virus classification
Group: Group VII (dsDNA-RT)
Family: Caulimoviridae
Genus: Caulimovirus
Species

Cauliflower mosaic virus

Cauliflower mosaic virus (CaMV) is the type member of the caulimoviruses, one of the six genera in the Caulimoviridae family, pararetroviruses that infect plants (Pringle, 1999). Pararetroviruses replicate through reverse transcription just like retroviruses, but the viral particles contain DNA instead of RNA (Rothnie et al., 1994).

Tobacco mosaic virus
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Tobacco mosaic virus
Electron micrograph of TMV particles stained to enhance visibility at 160,000x magnification
Virus classification
Group: Group IV ((+)ssRNA)
Family: Virgaviridae
Genus: Tobamovirus
Species: Tobacco mosaic virus

Tobacco mosaic virus (TMV) is a positive-sense single stranded RNA virus that infects plants, especially tobacco and other members of the family Solanaceae. The infection causes characteristic patterns (mottling and discoloration) on the leaves (hence the name). TMV was the first virus to be discovered. Although it was known from the late 19th century that an infectious disease was damaging tobacco crops, it was not until 1930 that the infectious agent was determined to be a virus.

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Virus DNA hidden in GMO crops [View all] eridani Feb 2013 OP
du rec. nt xchrom Feb 2013 #1
rec and kick Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #2
"we told you this would happen" is going to be such a Pyrrhic victory dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #3
So this virus gene, which is naturally occurring, has been demonstrated to cause problems? Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #4
Somehow, I don't think Monsanto wants to recruit volunteers to see how widely it is expressed. Overseas Feb 2013 #10
Good point. No one is eating GMO foods right now. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #18
How the hell do people know what they're eating if the farminator3000 Feb 2013 #45
Go... Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #46
Why would I post a link when you don't read them you just babble farminator3000 Feb 2013 #50
it most certainly is not naturally occurring whatsoever farminator3000 Feb 2013 #43
This world gets more terrifying every day. loudsue Feb 2013 #5
I suggest you follow the links in the article. This is not terrifying. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #19
Yesterday's terrifying if today's norm. defacto7 Feb 2013 #103
K&R ReRe Feb 2013 #6
We tried and lost on the 2012 California ballot. SCVDem Feb 2013 #26
Where are the GMO supporters now? nt Javaman Feb 2013 #7
They're out there mocking peoples' concerns. Hoping social pressure can bully people into acceptance Overseas Feb 2013 #16
Oh, bullshit. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #21
+10 !!! (NT) reACTIONary Feb 2013 #130
Actually that's not what it says at all. nebenaube Jun 2013 #135
K&R. Hope we decide to choose safety and stop the GMOs now. Rather than discover later Overseas Feb 2013 #8
It's not about "safety", it's about $$$. nt NorthCarolina Feb 2013 #11
If GMOs were not a private profit center, things would be quite different. Overseas Feb 2013 #13
For Christ sakes, there's viral DNA in every lifeform on the planet. longship Feb 2013 #9
This is just a previously undiscovered one that causes mutations and tumors if expressed. Overseas Feb 2013 #12
Well I am against the patent bullshit longship Feb 2013 #15
calling bullshit right here Viva_La_Revolution Feb 2013 #20
Well what the hell do you think cross breeding does? longship Feb 2013 #28
Actually it does seem to be inherently more harmful. I have seen some evidence on film. Overseas Feb 2013 #31
Bombarding DNA with a gene gun is absolutely not like breeding farminator3000 Feb 2013 #32
A gene gun? longship Feb 2013 #49
yes that is how monSanto inserts the genes into cells farminator3000 Feb 2013 #51
Of course they're using biology. longship Feb 2013 #62
nature certainly doesn't mix genes using bacteria. try sperm and egg? farminator3000 Feb 2013 #80
Nevertheless, humans share DNA with all life forms. longship Feb 2013 #86
thanks for being polite! farminator3000 Feb 2013 #111
Thanks for the info. longship Feb 2013 #112
nice puns! farminator3000 Feb 2013 #114
Yup--tomatoes fuck salmon all the time and produce hybrid offspring, right? n/t eridani Feb 2013 #90
It's called the "tree of life" for a reason. longship Feb 2013 #91
The common genes shared are those that rarely change at all, like those for histone proteins eridani Feb 2013 #92
Tomatoes and salmon? longship Feb 2013 #93
The genes they have in common DON'T CHANGE!! eridani Feb 2013 #94
Every lifeform on earth shares genes with every other. longship Feb 2013 #95
Genes inserted into GMO crops are by definition NOT shared. eridani Feb 2013 #107
Here's Monsanto being sued by their buddies about it farminator3000 Feb 2013 #52
oh, excuse me, they use something worse now. but they used to farminator3000 Feb 2013 #79
You cannot generally cross different species'. GMO *is* different newthinking Feb 2013 #101
No Viva_La_Revolution Feb 2013 #35
Well, you share a significant number of genes with a fish. longship Feb 2013 #37
"Science Channel" science is not going to cut it here Viva_La_Revolution Feb 2013 #65
There's no cable TV here. longship Feb 2013 #73
of course they do, that's 5th grade stuff Viva_La_Revolution Feb 2013 #77
Thanks for the link. longship Feb 2013 #78
I hope I didn't offend. I got a little passionate Viva_La_Revolution Feb 2013 #82
No offense taken. longship Feb 2013 #88
Thats the whole point, nature does not splice material from a fish into corn. FogerRox Jun 2013 #137
Genes are not spliced by breeding, please stop Tumbulu Feb 2013 #97
I should have said crossover. longship Feb 2013 #99
No, crossover's are extremely rare Tumbulu Feb 2013 #131
Correct !!!!! nt Tumbulu Feb 2013 #96
Exactly!!! The problem with Monsanto is their business practices, not the science. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #24
That is a preposterous statement farminator3000 Feb 2013 #33
I am defeated. Well played, sir! Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #41
Hysteria and ignorance of biology. longship Feb 2013 #54
+1 Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #58
why has monsanto's crap been banned in some countries, and failed to boot? farminator3000 Feb 2013 #81
I agree about Monsanto. longship Feb 2013 #102
i hear you on the rocket science... farminator3000 Feb 2013 #113
in ref. to post #113 and the common dreams article farminator3000 Feb 2013 #115
I am a scientist and nature does not do this all the time Tumbulu Feb 2013 #98
And I agree. It has to be tested. longship Feb 2013 #100
their science is not very good either NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #108
The incorporation of the viral genes was not inadvertant. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #109
oh but I do NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #119
It would be great to hear from someone in the industry about this. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #120
well, I have talked with my wife a lot about this NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #132
That is a lie. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #22
Not sure which part of my alarm you are considering a lie. Overseas Feb 2013 #27
I didn't get past the "previously undiscovered virus". That's bullshit. You didn't read any of it. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #29
I did read the thing. It discusses genetic mutations and tumors. Real concerns. Overseas Feb 2013 #30
Nice try. The virus in question is the Cauliflower mosaic. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #40
I don't like the headline either. Tumors and mutations Overseas Feb 2013 #44
So why are you commenting if you didn't read it? farminator3000 Feb 2013 #34
.. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #39
the virus that occurs in nature is NOT inserted into the DNA with a bacteria farminator3000 Feb 2013 #84
If you don't know that the cauliflower virus is different from farminator3000 Feb 2013 #47
Go to the OP. Click the link to the article. Click the link to the original article. Read it. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #48
I'm quite sure I know more than you about this farminator3000 Feb 2013 #53
I have no doubt you believe what you just said. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #55
I also think you are doing the same thing monsanto does farminator3000 Feb 2013 #59
you didn't read a damn thing farminator3000 Feb 2013 #83
Again? And, rather than give us something from the scientific literature, it's back to the websites. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #89
what have YOU cited from 'scientific lit'- a short 'peer review' farminator3000 Feb 2013 #110
I guess you think this is some sort of joke. It is definitely not funny. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #116
i'm glad i have offended you, because you have really blown your argument now! cheerio! farminator3000 Feb 2013 #117
No. You're wrong. It is not the virus being modified. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #118
i am completely right and you look more foolish with each post! farminator3000 Feb 2013 #121
This is your style -- you paste in more and more irrelevant shit hoping I'll give up. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #123
so you ARE working for big M! why should anyone listen to you again? farminator3000 Feb 2013 #125
LOL! Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #126
if you are looking for a way to escape this argument farminator3000 Feb 2013 #127
I've read enough of your tangential stuff. See you next time. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #128
AND, they're doing GMO friggin zucchinni now!!! wtf? farminator3000 Feb 2013 #129
So thats the main difference, into the nucleus? or outside the nucleus? FogerRox Jun 2013 #138
Human life expectancy: 35 years. Is this the way that World population will be controlled? DhhD Feb 2013 #14
You should sell that rant as an idea for a sci-fi movie. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #25
yeaks mettamega Feb 2013 #17
How terrible Highway61 Feb 2013 #23
Monsanto's golden rice hoax read it here! farminator3000 Feb 2013 #36
science illiteracy is strong in this thread.... mike_c Feb 2013 #38
Oh SHUT UP! farminator3000 Feb 2013 #42
Off you go again, despite being corrected about this further up thread. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #56
Corrected by you typing some nonsense? farminator3000 Feb 2013 #60
You claimed that the viral DNA in the GMOs was "previously undiscovered." Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #61
No I did not the article did. farminator3000 Feb 2013 #63
Ok. Quote it right here. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #64
Quote what you? don't know what you're talking about farminator3000 Feb 2013 #66
As I thought. You have nothing. Goodbye! Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #67
i've got more than you farminator3000 Feb 2013 #68
Start backing up your claims with substance, ... Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #69
You have provided no substance farminator3000 Feb 2013 #72
Is this the part you don't want to talk about. farminator3000 Feb 2013 #70
That was NOT your original claim. Have you given up on the "previously undiscovered" claim? Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #71
not at all farminator3000 Feb 2013 #74
Read the damned article. Educate yourself. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #75
phone dead farminator3000 Feb 2013 #76
here's the scoop, you dupe farminator3000 Feb 2013 #85
KICKING! patrice Feb 2013 #57
I've changed my mind on this subject. wtmusic Feb 2013 #87
HALLEH FREAKING LULYAH!!! farminator3000 Feb 2013 #122
Poisoned blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #104
Oh hey, it's this thread from Jan 23 again. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #105
sure is, do you want to continue the part about monsanto's safety study being 3 MONTHS TOTAL? farminator3000 Feb 2013 #124
May these people rot in Hell. Although I take that back because I don't even like to wish bad Maraya1969 Feb 2013 #106
EFSA: FAQ on inserted fragment of viral gene in GM plants (Please read) OKIsItJustMe Feb 2013 #133
if you are going to read that, you should read this, too. (because those answers aren't right) farminator3000 Feb 2013 #134
And that does not even include the effects we are unaware of. FogerRox Jun 2013 #136
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