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In reply to the discussion: Virus DNA hidden in GMO crops [View all]farminator3000
(2,117 posts)117. i'm glad i have offended you, because you have really blown your argument now! cheerio!
The Cauliflower mosaic virus occurs in nature, just like billions of other viruses. The fact that the CaMV causes causes mosaic symptoms in tobacco is a natural result of the fact that CaMV is not limited in its infection to cauliflower: it infects members of Brassicaceae, Solanaceae, Datura and Nicotiana.
now, here is the UNfootnoted part you 'pasted' from wiki
Cauliflower mosaic virus (CaMV) is the type species of the family Caulimoviridae. This family is grouped together with Hepadnaviruses into the Pararetrovirus group due to its mode of replication via reverse transcription of a pre-genomic RNA intermediate.
CaMV infects mostly plants of the Brassicaceae family (examples: Caulifower, Turnip) but some CaMV strains (D4 and W260) are also able to infect Solanaceae species of the genera Datura and Nicotiana. CaMV induces a variety of systemic symptoms such as mosaic, necrotic lesions on leaf surfaces, or stunting and deformation of the whole plant, which vary depending on the viral strain, host ecotype and environmental conditions.
CaMV is transmitted in a no-circulated manner by aphid species such as Myzus persicae.Once introduced within a plant host cell, virions migrate to the nuclear envelope.
oh, YOU ARE SO WRONG. when you read the below, you see that the ONLY CaMV that affects tobacco, etc......
IS THE GENETICALLY MODIFIED ONE!!!
GET IT??? D4 and W260 are MONSANTO's CRAP!!!
An analysis of 24 infected plants showed that a recombination event occurred in every plant, demonstrating that under strong selection conditions, the recovery of CaMV recombinants from transgenic plants can be very high.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004268229690464X
did you mean cucumber, not cauliflower?
For example, plants including tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, and tobacco may all be infected by the tobacco mosaic virus.
http://biology.about.com/od/virology/ss/plant-viruses.htm
so, yes, in nature, the CUCUMBER virus will cross to tobacco, but NOT in the nucleus, as i explained previously.
only in THE LAB does CaMV cross over INTO THE NUCLEUS, which is the WHOLE POINT of the controversy.
you just PROVED you don't know what you are talking about!
why so upset, does losing arguments affect your take home pay?
CaMV is a DNA virus, TMV is an RNA virus. get it?
Cauliflower mosaic virus
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Cauliflower mosaic virus
Virus classification
Group: Group VII (dsDNA-RT)
Family: Caulimoviridae
Genus: Caulimovirus
Species
Cauliflower mosaic virus
Cauliflower mosaic virus (CaMV) is the type member of the caulimoviruses, one of the six genera in the Caulimoviridae family, pararetroviruses that infect plants (Pringle, 1999). Pararetroviruses replicate through reverse transcription just like retroviruses, but the viral particles contain DNA instead of RNA (Rothnie et al., 1994).
Tobacco mosaic virus
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Tobacco mosaic virus
Electron micrograph of TMV particles stained to enhance visibility at 160,000x magnification
Virus classification
Group: Group IV ((+)ssRNA)
Family: Virgaviridae
Genus: Tobamovirus
Species: Tobacco mosaic virus
Tobacco mosaic virus (TMV) is a positive-sense single stranded RNA virus that infects plants, especially tobacco and other members of the family Solanaceae. The infection causes characteristic patterns (mottling and discoloration) on the leaves (hence the name). TMV was the first virus to be discovered. Although it was known from the late 19th century that an infectious disease was damaging tobacco crops, it was not until 1930 that the infectious agent was determined to be a virus.
now, here is the UNfootnoted part you 'pasted' from wiki
Cauliflower mosaic virus (CaMV) is the type species of the family Caulimoviridae. This family is grouped together with Hepadnaviruses into the Pararetrovirus group due to its mode of replication via reverse transcription of a pre-genomic RNA intermediate.
CaMV infects mostly plants of the Brassicaceae family (examples: Caulifower, Turnip) but some CaMV strains (D4 and W260) are also able to infect Solanaceae species of the genera Datura and Nicotiana. CaMV induces a variety of systemic symptoms such as mosaic, necrotic lesions on leaf surfaces, or stunting and deformation of the whole plant, which vary depending on the viral strain, host ecotype and environmental conditions.
CaMV is transmitted in a no-circulated manner by aphid species such as Myzus persicae.Once introduced within a plant host cell, virions migrate to the nuclear envelope.
oh, YOU ARE SO WRONG. when you read the below, you see that the ONLY CaMV that affects tobacco, etc......
IS THE GENETICALLY MODIFIED ONE!!!
An analysis of 24 infected plants showed that a recombination event occurred in every plant, demonstrating that under strong selection conditions, the recovery of CaMV recombinants from transgenic plants can be very high.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004268229690464X
did you mean cucumber, not cauliflower?
For example, plants including tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, and tobacco may all be infected by the tobacco mosaic virus.
http://biology.about.com/od/virology/ss/plant-viruses.htm
so, yes, in nature, the CUCUMBER virus will cross to tobacco, but NOT in the nucleus, as i explained previously.
only in THE LAB does CaMV cross over INTO THE NUCLEUS, which is the WHOLE POINT of the controversy.
you just PROVED you don't know what you are talking about!
why so upset, does losing arguments affect your take home pay?
CaMV is a DNA virus, TMV is an RNA virus. get it?
Cauliflower mosaic virus
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Cauliflower mosaic virus
Virus classification
Group: Group VII (dsDNA-RT)
Family: Caulimoviridae
Genus: Caulimovirus
Species
Cauliflower mosaic virus
Cauliflower mosaic virus (CaMV) is the type member of the caulimoviruses, one of the six genera in the Caulimoviridae family, pararetroviruses that infect plants (Pringle, 1999). Pararetroviruses replicate through reverse transcription just like retroviruses, but the viral particles contain DNA instead of RNA (Rothnie et al., 1994).
Tobacco mosaic virus
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Tobacco mosaic virus
Electron micrograph of TMV particles stained to enhance visibility at 160,000x magnification
Virus classification
Group: Group IV ((+)ssRNA)
Family: Virgaviridae
Genus: Tobamovirus
Species: Tobacco mosaic virus
Tobacco mosaic virus (TMV) is a positive-sense single stranded RNA virus that infects plants, especially tobacco and other members of the family Solanaceae. The infection causes characteristic patterns (mottling and discoloration) on the leaves (hence the name). TMV was the first virus to be discovered. Although it was known from the late 19th century that an infectious disease was damaging tobacco crops, it was not until 1930 that the infectious agent was determined to be a virus.
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So this virus gene, which is naturally occurring, has been demonstrated to cause problems?
Buzz Clik
Feb 2013
#4
Somehow, I don't think Monsanto wants to recruit volunteers to see how widely it is expressed.
Overseas
Feb 2013
#10
They're out there mocking peoples' concerns. Hoping social pressure can bully people into acceptance
Overseas
Feb 2013
#16
K&R. Hope we decide to choose safety and stop the GMOs now. Rather than discover later
Overseas
Feb 2013
#8
This is just a previously undiscovered one that causes mutations and tumors if expressed.
Overseas
Feb 2013
#12
Actually it does seem to be inherently more harmful. I have seen some evidence on film.
Overseas
Feb 2013
#31
Yup--tomatoes fuck salmon all the time and produce hybrid offspring, right? n/t
eridani
Feb 2013
#90
The common genes shared are those that rarely change at all, like those for histone proteins
eridani
Feb 2013
#92
Thats the whole point, nature does not splice material from a fish into corn.
FogerRox
Jun 2013
#137
Exactly!!! The problem with Monsanto is their business practices, not the science.
Buzz Clik
Feb 2013
#24
why has monsanto's crap been banned in some countries, and failed to boot?
farminator3000
Feb 2013
#81
I didn't get past the "previously undiscovered virus". That's bullshit. You didn't read any of it.
Buzz Clik
Feb 2013
#29
I did read the thing. It discusses genetic mutations and tumors. Real concerns.
Overseas
Feb 2013
#30
the virus that occurs in nature is NOT inserted into the DNA with a bacteria
farminator3000
Feb 2013
#84
Go to the OP. Click the link to the article. Click the link to the original article. Read it.
Buzz Clik
Feb 2013
#48
Again? And, rather than give us something from the scientific literature, it's back to the websites.
Buzz Clik
Feb 2013
#89
i'm glad i have offended you, because you have really blown your argument now! cheerio!
farminator3000
Feb 2013
#117
This is your style -- you paste in more and more irrelevant shit hoping I'll give up.
Buzz Clik
Feb 2013
#123
Human life expectancy: 35 years. Is this the way that World population will be controlled?
DhhD
Feb 2013
#14
That was NOT your original claim. Have you given up on the "previously undiscovered" claim?
Buzz Clik
Feb 2013
#71
sure is, do you want to continue the part about monsanto's safety study being 3 MONTHS TOTAL?
farminator3000
Feb 2013
#124
May these people rot in Hell. Although I take that back because I don't even like to wish bad
Maraya1969
Feb 2013
#106
if you are going to read that, you should read this, too. (because those answers aren't right)
farminator3000
Feb 2013
#134