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PamW

(1,825 posts)
41. BALONEY!!!
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:03 PM
Dec 2013

bananas,

You are NOT a nuclear weapons designer; and just achieving a "critical mass" is NOT SUFFICIENT to make weapons.

Garwin is just plain WRONG in saying that a material is "fissile" just because it is in a bomb. For Heaven's sake; look at the DEFINITION of the word "fissile" in the nuclear context:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fissile

By definition, fissile materials can sustain a chain reaction with neutrons of any energy. The predominant neutron energy may be typified by either slow neutrons (i.e., a thermal system) or fast neutrons.

If you read the article; you get a better understanding.

"Fissile" means that the material can be fissioned with neutrons of ANY energy fast or slow.

Some materials, called "fissionable" can only be fissioned with neutrons that have an energy above a certain threshold.

So if we have "fissionable" material like U-238, which will only fission with neutrons above about 1 MeV; and will not fission with low energy neutrons like U-235 does.

So if U-238 is outside of a nuclear bomb and a slow neutron comes along; the U-238 knows not to fission.

However, Garwin would have us believe that if the U-238 is IN a bomb that somehow the U-238 knows that and will fission with a low energy neutron?

Give me a BREAK!!!! It just goes to show the degree to which someone like Garwin with PERVERT the Physics when the FACTS disagree with his politics. I really don't have much respect for scientists that do that. It's IRONIC that Garwin decries those that interpret their own wishes as facts; when that is EXACTLY what he is doing.

Fissile really means "will fission" in slow systems. Therefore, any definition that says "fissile in fast systems" is an OXYMORON.

Evidently you also missed the fact that there is MORE to the inability of IFR Plutonium working in a nuclear bomb than just the fact that Pu-240 is non-fissile.

The article by Selden is DATED. The IFR produces higher burnups than ANY burnups contemplated by Selden when he wrote that article in November 1976. See reference 33 of:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v283/n5750/abs/283817a0.html

When Selden wrote that article in 1976; the only "spent fuel" or "reactor grade plutonium" came from Light Water Reactors which were ejecting fuel at burnups of about 40,000 Megawatt-Days/metric tonne. Today's LWRs eject fuel at 55,000 - 60,000 Megawatt-Days/metric tonne. But Selden never envisioned in 1976; an IFR-type reactor with even higher burnups, and a fuel cycle that was doctored to make the fuel USELESS for nuclear weapons. That type of technology wasn't even on the horizon when Selden wrote that paper.

Bananas whole diatribe above is based on OUTDATED information.

Is an argument based on OUTDATED and OBSOLETE information, the best you can do?

Better come up with something that is more CURRENT bananas; or just admit that you are out of your field.

PamW

Yes, the EIA publish data on expected energy future use AND all sources of energy. happyslug Nov 2013 #1
That tells you nothing of the sort kristopher Nov 2013 #2
Lack of understanding of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics... PamW Nov 2013 #11
Nope kristopher Nov 2013 #13
100% WRONG AGAIN as always!! PamW Nov 2013 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author kristopher Nov 2013 #22
It was EXACTLY the level of journalistic quality that I would have expected from "The Nation". caraher Nov 2013 #3
I don't have a favorite political publication PamW Nov 2013 #7
Well, I think we all get that The Nation is not a technical journal caraher Nov 2013 #17
It's STILL an ERROR PamW Nov 2013 #18
Kerry didn't lie, in fact he was validated by MIT a decade later bananas Nov 2013 #4
More typical anti-nuke "logic" PamW Nov 2013 #8
There are four primary problem area with nuclear technology (not counting social and systems issues) kristopher Nov 2013 #9
We can address those... PamW Nov 2013 #20
"The MIT study chooses "once through" over closed due to cost." - Nope. kristopher Nov 2013 #21
100% WRONG!! PamW Dec 2013 #25
You're morphing your previous failure into yet another failed argument kristopher Dec 2013 #27
100% WRONG as ALWAYS!! PamW Dec 2013 #29
MIT study on Proliferation Resistant Fast Reactor PamW Dec 2013 #30
I'm sure NNSA and MIT didn't have that data. kristopher Dec 2013 #31
I'm SURE NNSA and MIT had that data PamW Dec 2013 #32
The conclusions of both MIT and NNSA refute your claims. kristopher Dec 2013 #33
NOT AT ALL PamW Dec 2013 #34
You've been completely and absolutely refuted kristopher Dec 2013 #35
Non-scientist kristopher is 100% WRONG AGAIN PamW Dec 2013 #36
A "Proliferation Resistant" Reactor is like a "Water Resistant" Watch bananas Dec 2013 #39
OH REALLY????? PamW Dec 2013 #40
PamW wrote: "Iran is seeking NOT a plutonium bomb, but a uranium bomb." bananas Nov 2013 #5
Do you doubt it? PamW Nov 2013 #10
What about the National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA)? kristopher Nov 2013 #14
You are arguing with the SCIENTISTS!!! PamW Nov 2013 #16
No, I'm quoting the scientists kristopher Nov 2013 #19
WRONG!!! PamW Nov 2013 #23
No, it isn't wrong. kristopher Dec 2013 #24
100% WRONG as ALWAYS!! PamW Dec 2013 #28
DOE: "Virtually any combination of plutonium isotopes...can be used to make a nuclear weapon." bananas Nov 2013 #6
Actualy; the above is NOT true. PamW Nov 2013 #12
No, PamW; Richard Garwin, John Holdren, and President Obama all know you're wrong. bananas Dec 2013 #37
Its a fools errand madokie Dec 2013 #38
BALONEY!!! PamW Dec 2013 #41
No, Pamw, you're wrong again. bananas Dec 2013 #42
Sorry... once again, you've cited something that you simply don't understand. FBaggins Dec 2013 #43
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!! PamW Dec 2013 #44
Sorry... once again, you've corrected someone when it's you that's wrong kristopher Dec 2013 #46
100% WRONG!! AGAIN!! PamW Dec 2013 #48
I can read and Selden's language is unambiguous kristopher Dec 2013 #49
WRONG AGAIN!! PamW Dec 2013 #50
Ah... but not if you read without understanding. FBaggins Dec 2013 #56
CORRECT!!! PamW Dec 2013 #62
bananas and kristopher certainly win on source credibility here caraher Dec 2013 #51
NOPE!! They do NOT!! PamW Dec 2013 #52
Well, it seems you are a liar, traitor or a fool - your choice caraher Dec 2013 #53
NOPE!!! PamW Dec 2013 #55
Nope. FBaggins Dec 2013 #54
EXCELLENT!!! PamW Dec 2013 #58
"If you have any type of plutonium in sufficient quantities you can make a bomb." Selden 2009 kristopher Dec 2013 #59
An we've both explained to you what that means. FBaggins Dec 2013 #60
A clear example of how he was being SLOPPY!!! PamW Dec 2013 #61
More citations on the point of plutonium for weapons kristopher Dec 2013 #63
Non-scientist kristopher MISSES the implicit assumption PamW Dec 2013 #64
"what comes out of an Integral Fast Reactor" kristopher Dec 2013 #65
Yes - I know Harold... PamW Dec 2013 #66
And that brings us full circle kristopher Dec 2013 #67
100% WRONG!! AGAIN!! PamW Dec 2013 #68
Oh look - George Stanford says it TWICE in that interview! bananas Dec 2013 #69
bananas LITANY of ERRORS!! PamW Dec 2013 #70
Evidently bananas does NOT understand... PamW Dec 2013 #71
What's happened to HONESTY!!! PamW Dec 2013 #45
Yes, what happened to honesty? kristopher Dec 2013 #47
Pam - don't worry about him FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #57
The movie was such a blatant farce, I dont know who would waste the energy attacking or defending it NoOneMan Dec 2013 #26
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